Why did JT ROB RMO FP GM KM contradict each other?

Title: Why did JT ROB RMO FP GM KM contradict each other?
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If the T7 were not involved and Madeleine didn't die until after 5.30 then why did JT ROB RMO FP GM KM contradict each other?....

Why did Jane claim she was down at the beach with ROB and they saw Madeleine and Ella at sailing (and only took a picture of Ella) about 10.45am (approx) Thursday?

Mini Sailing 10-11am

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/J ... GATORY.htm

Quote:

Jane
Russell, me and Evie walked down to the
beach.I don’t know where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us

JANE
Dave and Fi were already down there and, no, we met we met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, I think they’d had their second sailing lessonthey said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’So then we went down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played

Ella and Madeleine and the rest of the groupthey were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the Kids Club

I’ve got pictures of Ella, of Evie, that’s about the first day I took pictures actually
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/f ... tanner.jpg

Here Jane contradicts herself and said ROB was watching the tennis on Thursday

Quote:

JT:
Yeah, it does, but just to clarify though, that on the Wednesday, when you saw
Madeleine and Exxxx had her tennis lesson, do you remember if Russell was there
then?”
Reply “I don’t remember if he was there, but I don’t’ think so”.
4078 “But on the Thursday he was there”.
Reply “He was definitely there”.
4078 “Watching Madeleine and Exxxx”.
Reply “It was the other, it was other part of the, it was the same age group but it was the
other half of the group that were having their tennis lesson”.

Why did ROB claim he was up watching the mini tennis (not Madeleine's group...the other half) with JANE at approx 10.45am (approx) Thursday?

mini tennis Thursday 3rd 10.-11am
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/R ... GATORY.htm

Quote:

Russell
After Jane’s tennis lesson I’ll try and preserve it as much as possible, ‘I recall that one of the guests erm, a man from Southampton came up full-stop. ‘His daughter it was his three year old daughter, ‘his young daughter was having a this, it may be word perfect, ‘was having a erm
1578 “We have got His daughter was playing tennis
Reply “Well, yeah, his, his daughter was having a tennis lesson, you know, a kid’s tennis lesson

And I think that’s important, particularly, because of what the man said, if Madeleine was potentially being photographed by anyone, it was absolutely clear that Madeleine and E were not there that day

And present at that conversation were?��?BR>

Reply “Well certainly myself, Jane, Kate and Rachael,

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/8 ... Obrien.jpg

Why did Rachael claimed she SAW Madeleine playing tennis (but couldn't identify the court correctly) 10.45am approx even though Madeleine's group played on Tuesday?

Rachael claimed this was the last time she saw Madeleine. Was she lying about the tennis being on Thursday or did she not see Madeleine since Tuesday?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/R ... GATORY.htm

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RMO
“Erm well I saw Kate, I chatted to Kate by the pool, erm in the morning”.
1578 “What time was that”?
Reply “That would have been from sort of, you know half nine, ten o’clock onwards, we were chatting when Madeleine arrived for the tennis lesson with the rest of the children from her group, erm I think that was probably about ten thirty, erm and Gerry was there then as well, I think he’d been having a lesson on the tennis courts I think, he was having group lessons, so I think he might have been having his lesson sort of up until then, erm so they were both there then and then erm Matt and I had our tennis lesson

Rachael:
so basically it just, you know I just sat by the pool and read my book, sort of waiting for the tennis lesson and Kate, Kate was there and we sat together and had you know, chatted a bit, erm and then I think Diane might have been there as well, remember chatting to Kate cos we were talking about schools and that sort of thing, erm and holidays, erm and then I think it must have been at about ten thirty, Madeleine and E**a and their sort of group came to have a tennis lesson as part of their crèche activities, erm and Kate didn’t have her camera and Jane was there then as well and Jane took some photos of both Madeleine and E**a, that’s one, that poster of Madeleine with the tennis b*lls, that sort of pictures”.

RMO-
the last time you saw Madeleine”?
Reply “Erm it was when she was having a tennis lesson, in the morning yeah, about probably between ten thirty and eleven on the morning of the third of May”.
00.41.13 1578 “At the tennis courts”?
Reply “Yes at the tennis courts”.
1578 “Any particular court”?
Reply “Erm it was the one, if you were standing facing the courts, it’s the one on the left I think”.

NOTE: Madeleine's group played on Tuesday and all Mini's tennis was played on Court 2. Rachael is describing court 1.

Fiona claims she walked to the creche that lunchtime with Kate to pick Madeleine and Scarlet up.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/F ... GATORY.htm

Quote:

FP Yeah, that, that day, erm, I actually picked Scarlet up with Kate, erm, and I’m trying to think what the time, the times were

FP Kate and I walked from the Tapas area over to the main reception, (...) and she picked up Madeleine and I picked up Scarlet and then we walked back together

FP You say they turned up at your apartment?”
Reply
“No, no this was down by the, this was down on the sun loungers outside the, where the pool”.
1485
“Oh right, you were downstairs”.
Reply
“And it was just about time to go and pick up the kids, so we sort of sat about ten minutes and then, so Kate and I wandered off down to the, erm, Reception to get the kids, erm, Scarlet, Madeleine and Gerry and Dave went and got, went to the toddler club to get the twins and L***”.

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Kate claims she walked to the creche after she had been to the apartment.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Quote:

KATE:
KATE Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine’s creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. She signed the register and went to the twins’ creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him

Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes

Gerry said HE remembers picking Madeleine up that day as he used the short cut.

(The creche records show it was Kate)

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/G ... -10MAY.htm

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GERRY At 12H00, together with KATE, as he recalls it, she made lunch and he went to get MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.

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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm
CRECHE RECORDS Madeleine picked up by kate: 12-25 KM

My question is:

Why were they, without question (as sailing and the other groups mini tennis were at the same time) contradicting each other?

Never mind all the inconsistencies (not attributed to memory lapse) for the rest of the week......

If nothing happened to Madeleine until after 5.30pm, why would they, seemingly, try to hide something from earlier in the day (as well as during that week)?

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Why did Jane claim she was down at the beach with ROB and they saw Madeleine and Ella at sailing (and only took a picture of Ella) about 10.45am (approx) Thursday

Why did ROB claim he was up watching the mini tennis (not Madeleine's group...the other half) with JANE at approx 10.45am (approx) Thursday?

Why did Rachael claimed she SAW Madeleine playing tennis (but couldn't identify the court correctly) 10.45am approx even though Madeleine played on Tuesday.

Rachael claimed this was the last time she saw Madeleine. Was she lying about the tennis being on Thursday or did she not see Madeleine since Tuesday?

Fiona claims she walked to the creche that lunchtime with Kate to pick Madeleine and Scarlet up.

Kate claims she walked to the creche after she had been to the apartment.

Gerry said HE remembers picking Madeleine up that day as he used the short cut.

(The creche records show it was Kate)

My question is:

Why were they, without question (as sailing and the other groups mini tennis were at the same time) contradicting each other?

Never mind all the inconsistencies (not attributed to memory lapse) for the rest of the week......

If nothing happened to Madeleine until after 5.30pm, why would they, seemingly, try to hide something from earlier in the day (as well as during that week)?

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Russell

After Jane’s tennis lesson I’ll try and preserve it as much as possible, ‘I recall that one of the guests erm, a man from Southampton came up full-stop. ‘His daughter it was his three year old daughter, ‘his young daughter was having a this, it may be word perfect, ‘was having a erm
1578 “We have got His daughter was playing tennis
Reply “Well, yeah, his, his daughter was having a tennis lesson, you know, a kid’s tennis lesson

And I think that’s important, particularly, because of what the man said, if Madeleine was potentially being photographed by anyone, it was absolutely clear that Madeleine and E were not there that day

And present at that conversation were?��?BR>

Reply “Well certainly myself, Jane, Kate and Rachael,

NOTE: Russell (above) claims they were watching the mini group lesson at 10.30 - 11.00 and describes in detail.

Jane (below) claims they went to the beach and saw Madeleine and Ella.

Both statements are specific and a contradiction of each other

Jane

Russell, me and Evie walked down to the
beach.I don’t know where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us

JANE
Dave and Fi were already down there and, no, we met we met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, I think they’d had their second sailing lessonthey said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’So then we went down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played

Ella and Madeleine and the rest of the groupthey were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the Kids Club

I’ve got pictures of Ella, of Evie, that’s about the first day I took pictures actually

Here Jane contradicts herself and said ROB was watching the tennis on Thursday

JT:
Yeah, it does, but just to clarify though, that on the Wednesday, when you saw
Madeleine and Exxxx had her tennis lesson, do you remember if Russell was there
then?”
Reply “I don’t remember if he was there, but I don’t’ think so”.
4078 “But on the Thursday he was there”.
Reply “He was definitely there”.
4078 “Watching Madeleine and Exxxx”.
Reply “It was the other, it was other part of the, it was the same age group but it was the
other half of the group that were having their tennis lesson”.

______________________________________________________________

RMO
“Erm well I saw Kate, I chatted to Kate by the pool, erm in the morning”.
1578 “What time was that”?
Reply “That would have been from sort of, you know half nine, ten o’clock onwards, we were chatting when Madeleine arrived for the tennis lesson with the rest of the children from her group, erm I think that was probably about ten thirty, erm and Gerry was there then as well, I think he’d been having a lesson on the tennis courts I think, he was having group lessons, so I think he might have been having his lesson sort of up until then, erm so they were both there then and then erm Matt and I had our tennis lesson

Rachael:
so basically it just, you know I just sat by the pool and read my book, sort of waiting for the tennis lesson and Kate, Kate was there and we sat together and had you know, chatted a bit, erm and then I think Diane might have been there as well, remember chatting to Kate cos we were talking about schools and that sort of thing, erm and holidays, erm and then I think it must have been at about ten thirty, Madeleine and E**a and their sort of group came to have a tennis lesson as part of their crèche activities, erm and Kate didn’t have her camera and Jane was there then as well and Jane took some photos of both Madeleine and E**a, that’s one, that poster of Madeleine with the tennis b*lls, that sort of pictures”.

RMO-
the last time you saw Madeleine”?
Reply “Erm it was when she was having a tennis lesson, in the morning yeah, about probably between ten thirty and eleven on the morning of the third of May”.
00.41.13 1578 “At the tennis courts”?
Reply “Yes at the tennis courts”.
1578 “Any particular court”?
Reply “Erm it was the one, if you were standing facing the courts, it’s the one on the left I think”.

NOTE: Madeleine's group played on Tuesday and all Mini's tennis was played on Court 2. Rachael is describing court 1.

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FP Yeah, that, that day, erm, I actually picked Scarlet up with Kate, erm, and I’m trying to think what the time, the times were

FP Kate and I walked from the Tapas area over to the main reception, (...) and she picked up Madeleine and I picked up Scarlet and then we walked back together

FP You say they turned up at your apartment?”
Reply
“No, no this was down by the, this was down on the sun loungers outside the, where the pool”.
1485
“Oh right, you were downstairs”.
Reply
“And it was just about time to go and pick up the kids, so we sort of sat about ten minutes and then, so Kate and I wandered off down to the, erm, Reception to get the kids, erm, Scarlet, Madeleine and Gerry and Dave went and got, went to the toddler club to get the twins and L***”.

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KATE:
KATE Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine’s creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne.
She signed the register and went to the twins’ creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him

Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes

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GERRY At 12H00, together with KATE, as he recalls it, she made lunch and he went to get MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.

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CRECHE RECORDS Madeleine picked up by kate: 12-45 KM