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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: The PJ knew all along
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When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: Re: The PJ knew all along
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[quote="juxtapose"]
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage[/quote]
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: Re: The PJ knew all along
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[quote="roisin"][quote="juxtapose"]
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage[/quote]
What do you mean by that? Would you mind clarifying the last comment?[/quote]
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Who took the mantle?
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:09 am Post subject:
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someone recently made video footage, however it does not match actual evidential footage
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:10 am Post subject:
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[quote="juxtapose"]someone recently made video footage, however it does not match actual evidential footage[/quote]
I'm willing to appear thick as a brick...
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:11 am Post subject:
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i cannot say anymore, please please try to work it out
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 am Post subject:
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(1) someone else took the mantle, because kate was too weak...
(2) recently shot video footage from PDL is different than the PJs footage from May
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matti
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 am Post subject:
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Do you mean the friend's footage that cropped up in Panorama ?
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 am Post subject:
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Jon Corner??
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:15 am Post subject:
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That's what I was thinking ... the Huelva trip footage?
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:18 am Post subject:
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no one close
Panaroma is one, the other is what not many know exists
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:19 am Post subject:
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if there was anything (suspicious) in PANORAMA, what would help to solve the case, the Police/PJ could make this "evidential" - by confiscating Jon Corners video tapings
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:19 am Post subject:
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CCTV footage at Ocean Club?
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:19 am Post subject:
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Jane Tanner's interview? That's not Golden enough though, surely?
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:22 am Post subject:
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Is the CCTV footage from OC that taken on 3rd May??
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JillyComeLately
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:26 am Post subject:
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Please don't tease. I'm going to wait until I hear there jhave been arrests.
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:28 am Post subject:
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let's see what the next few weeks brings, but a couple of you are going for gold
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:28 am Post subject:
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[quote="juxtapose"]i cannot say anymore, please please try to work it out[/quote]
CCTV footage of someone moving Maddy's body...
but can't work out who is "taking the mantle"...
Nobody is admitting anything.
The ONLY other thing I can think of is something about the Payne check on Kate in the afternoon, when Gerry asked him to leave the courts and check on her. Is Payne taking the mantle?
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:33 am Post subject:
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last footage of madeleine is the bar on the beach, unless the cctv in the service station is her, though thought to be highly unlikely.
The footage none of us knows about is with the PJ, and does NOT show madeleine
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 am Post subject:
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[quote="juxtapose"]last footage of madeleine is the bar on the beach, unless the cctv in the service station is her, though thought to be highly unlikely.
The footage none of us knows about is with the PJ, and does NOT show madeleine[/quote]
OK. I hope that people who are much brighter than I am come to this thread and post some theories.
I think you may have inside knowledge and if so you have to be very, very careful!
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PaminBigD
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 am Post subject:
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I think they are allowing them to hang themselves, basically.
Jux, we have a case here that a retired cop has a missing wife, he keeps on going on camera even though he has legal counsel.
I think as long as the suspect is willing to talk, the police must just let them go at it. If the lawyers could get them to shut up, then the police would wrap up with what they have. Cops just getting more fuel for the fire (cheaper on tax payers I think).
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:37 am Post subject:
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[quote="juxtapose"]last footage of madeleine is the bar on the beach, unless the cctv in the service station is her, though thought to be highly unlikely.
The footage none of us knows about is with the PJ, and does NOT show madeleine[/quote]
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Does this mean that Madeleine was not actually around when her parents claimed she was??
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matti
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:37 am Post subject:
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Would the kiddies' club have had a security camera ? Or a parent had a video camera ? Was Madeleine not there in the afternoon as claimed ?
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:37 am Post subject:
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Roisin
your right
i dont want to say no more
i've left enough clues
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:40 am Post subject:
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Matti
wrong track
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:42 am Post subject:
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Would it be anything to do with a certain photograph??
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject:
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Repor
your first answer too vague
last photo does not interset PJ
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roisin
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject:
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OK. I looked through a few earlier posts.
The PJ have cctv footage from the OC.
It disproves EVERY one of the timelines given by the Tapas 9.
I find this very heartening, without knowing anything more.
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject:
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then maybe this footage is the one PJ took when they did the crime reconstruction ?
...then they found something special - what should have been seen, comparing the witness statements with it ?
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gangapants
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:44 am Post subject:
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if david payne went to see if kate and the kids were ok in the AFTERNOON then ergo the kids werent at the creche in the afternoon and the CCTV from the creche might show the children who were there coming and going but NO SIGN of the mccann kids or madeleine coming or going
in addition or as an alternative cctv footage from around the resort may show the mccanns in a car (a hire car or a friends car or indeed ANY car or even on foot with the buggy with the LARGE all encompassing hood/cover leaving their apartment and/or returning at a time when the mccannas claimed gerry was playing tennis and kate was home alone wth the kids in possible body disposal operations
or again cctv footage may show a friend coming or going to the mccanns apartment for body disposal etc in the afternoon/early evening
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:45 am Post subject:
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People in seattle USA are shrewd
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If the footage does NOT show Madeleine then either it shows that she was not somewhere where her parents said she was, or it is showing somebody else doing something that they should not have been doing.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:49 am Post subject:
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also another thought from the thread title if the PJ knew all along (maybe the stand alone evidence not necessarily forensic) it may well be something simple such as showing someone on CCTV doing something they shouldnt or destroying their alibi etc for a certain time
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matti
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:52 am Post subject:
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Fait beaux rêves juxtapose et merci
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:52 am Post subject:
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so...
-- some of tapas 9 could have claimed "we went on may 3rd to this and that place" - and then must have passed cctv ---> what can be proved now, they are not shown
(maybe because - the pj's reconstruction of all tapas 9 statements showed there must have been footage of someone...)
OR
-- there indeed WAS footage of a tapas 9 when s/he claimed not having been there on may 3rd...
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:55 am Post subject:
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goodnight to you Jux.
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:55 am Post subject:
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AND.... the other OPs point RE someone "took the mantle for kate"...
WHO - of the tapas 7 actually took a "mantle" ?
-- payne
-- jane tanner
then most likely jane tanner was chosen to take this "mantle", what is the abductor statement, because she seemed to be more "reliable" as a witness ?
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:57 am Post subject:
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[quote="scrafen"]AND.... the other OPs point RE someone "took the mantle for kate"...
WHO - of the tapas 7 actually took a "mantle" ?
-- payne
-- jane tanner
then most likely jane tanner was chosen to take this "mantle", what is the abductor statement, because she seemed to be more "reliable" as a witness ?[/quote]
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Was Kate supposed to have "seen" bundleman??
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juxtapose
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:58 am Post subject:
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ganga.. on the right track
This is not gold evidence, just an aside
Look at the pics/video of Kate on the morning of 4th May, been up all night looking for her daughter, an abductor has allegedly taken her, and moved cuddle cat. Her earlier statements say the abductor had clearly moved cuddle cat. So what was she doing holding cuddle cat in that very first press release? Footage there for all to see. Secondly, why would a mother who has just had a child allegedly abducted, take time to change her ear rings the next day?
This has nothing to do with the gem that the PJ have
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:59 am Post subject:
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@repioverum
cant imagine that kate was supposed to see bundleman...
but maybe they had to change their initial plan, how to "present" the abduction, due to kate...
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:02 am Post subject:
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...to continue with my previous post...
...maybe kate was by the evening simply too drunk and so must have been ripped off the "abduction" plan staging on short notice
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:03 am Post subject:
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[quote="scrafen"]@repioverum
cant imagine that kate was supposed to see bundleman...
but maybe they had to change their initial plan, how to "present" the abduction, due to kate... [/quote]
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I think that Jeremy Wilkins appearing when he did threw a real spanner in the works...
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scrafen
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:07 am Post subject:
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@reperioverum
yep, jeremy wilkins disturbed the plan very badly...
...this would explain jane tanners (late) statement, because it was needed to support an abduction, which was quickly discarded as no "evidence" (of jemmying shutters...)
but - what did the OP mean by "taking the mantle" for kate, because being the "loose canon" ?
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