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7 kids were left in McCann flat By ONLINE REPORTERS

Published: 10 Oct 2007
POLICE in Portugal piled fresh torment on Madeleine McCann’s parents yesterday by claiming SIX other kids were with her the night she disappeared.
The bizarre theory – that the couple’s friends left their own children in the fateful holiday apartment to go out – emerged as the country’s No2 cop took over the case of the missing four-year-old.



Grim ... Gerry yesterday
Last night Maddie’s gaunt-looking mum Kate and husband Gerry slammed the latest slur on their version of events as “utter rubbish”.

The two doctors, both 39, insist their two-year-old twins Amelie and Sean were the only other children sleeping in the rented flat when Maddie vanished.

The news comes as friends of Kate have argued today that the fact she refused to leave Portugal, despite pleas from husband Gerry and friends, is further proof she is telling the truth.


Even though she knew public opinion in Portugal was turning against them, Kate felt emotionally attached to the area and wanted to stay.


Friends argue that someone with something to hide would not have behaved in the same way.

But police sources reportedly told Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas they had "significant evidence" that seven of the eight children in the group had been in the McCanns' apartment.

Reports suggest they did not give an explanation as to where the eighth child was.



And the newspaper also claims that Maddie and twins Sean and Amelie were sedated.


This belief is apparently based on the first preliminary results of the tests carried out at a lab in Birmingham.


These results are said to tie in with forensic analysis previously carried out at the National Institute of Legal Medicine in Portugal.

According to a reported police source, there is no proof that the other children claimed to be in the apartment were also sedated.

Yesterday three detectives visited the apartment where Madeleine disappeared to reconstruct what happened.

They were there for five hours. Their new boss Paulo Rebelo, 45, is understood to favour a “rethink” of every aspect of the investigation.

The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell scoffed at the cops’ new allegations, saying: “If you put seven children together you are going to have a far harder time getting them to sleep than three.” The latest theory casts doubt not only on what Kate and Gerry have always said but knocks statements by the three couples they holidayed with.



Rebelo ... now heads the case
Pals Jane Tanner, 36, and her partner Dr Russell O’Brien, 36, have two young daughters. Dr Matthew Oldfield, 37, and wife Rachael, 36, also have two children.

Also in the Algarve with the McCanns were David Payne, 41, and his wife Dr Fiona Payne, 34 – who have one child – and Fiona’s mother Diane. Maddie vanished five months ago in the resort of Praia da Luz as her parents and friends dined in a nearby tapas bar. The police theory about other kids being in the flat was leaked by a detective to a Portuguese newspaper.

It emerged as highly respected senior officer Rebelo – second in command at the Policia Judiciaria – took over the inquiry. He replaced disgraced Goncalo Amaral – axed last week for blasting the McCanns and UK detectives. Rebelo, 45, has worked on some of Portugal’s most high profile crimes – although he has no experience of investigating missing children.



Missing ... Maddie
His appointment was announced as it was revealed the McCanns have hired their own forensic team. The move follows reports that new DNA evidence links them to their daughter’s disappearance.

Spokesman Mr Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry hope Mr Rebelo will now work to eliminate them from the inquiry as suspects and will then be in a position to refocus his team into the search for Madeleine.”



But news emerged today that a team of six Portuguese detectives is reportedly investigating the disappearance of Madeleine - down from about 100 inspectors put on the case when she first went missing

Carlos Anjos, president of the Association of Criminal Investigation Staff, told Portugal's national news agency Lusa that five detectives and a chief inspector made up the team.

He said the drawdown was "normal" in investigations where the missing person was not found in the immediate period after disappearing, Lusa reported.



Yesterday Kate looked pale and thin as she attended a Catholic service for Madeleine near the family’s home in Rothley, Leics.

Mr Mitchell insisted: “Kate may appear frail but inside she is stronger than ever.”





Gerry and Kate McCann have praised Hollywood star Ben Affleck for his "sensitivity" after he halted the UK screening of his latest film over its similarities to the missing Madeleine case.


Gone Baby Gone - directed by the actor and starring his brother Casey - features a private detective trying to find a missing four-year-old girl.


The thriller has now had its UK premiere postponed.


At the Los Angeles premiere, Affleck said: "It just came down to the fact that there is a family there, and there is a country that has been exposed to the story and seems to have become to a certain degree emotionally sensitive to it."


The McCanns' family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "We thank him for being thoughtful enough and sensitive enough to Gerry and Kate's position to make such a commercial decision."



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Stella

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At 10pm on the night of May the 3rd 2007, when the alarm was raised?


I am now totally convinced that she was.

Matt Oldfield’s Rogatory Interview:
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“we went round to check firstly on Grace to make sure she was okay and we dropped Rachael up there, telling her that she wasn't to move”


Matt said he “dropped Rachael up there”. The Payne’s apartment is the only one up on the first floor. Which can only mean one thing…

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Another example from Matt's statement mentioning up.


4078 'Did you actually say that or you just thought that to yourself''

Reply 'Yeah, I thought that, you know, I'd said that everything was sort of quiet, I listened outside the shutters, but, you know, they went back up, erm, and said he was going to check. Erm, I know that Jane went, erm, went up, and I think that's because ** had been, I think ** had not been well that morning and I think that's, I can't remember whether she had any breakfast, but I don't think she'd been particularly well that morning, or she was sort of a bit off colour not sort of being particularly unwell, but maybe, I think the kids hadn't settle particularly well and that's why they, erm, Russell and Jane had come separately in the evening, and so she went back, erm, to check on, presumably to check on, to check on her kids and then came back and we, erm, had starters by then'.

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What about this bit?


MO "we went round to check firstly on Grace to make sure she was okay and we dropped Rachael up there, telling her that she wasn't to move, Jane came out of the apartment, did she come out of the apartment at that point or was it later in the evening, I can't remember, but I remember seeing them, you know, most of the time and then for the rest of the evening they were stood, you know, at the doorways to the apartments".



Was Jane also inside the Payne's apartment?

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MO 'So we'd have had starters, erm, now, and then, because there was a natural break between starters and main, that's when we'd normally go and do the sort of next check and sort of lull in conversation or whatever. And I think the time that I originally said I did it, and I can't remember what time I estimated from the statement, but I think I sort of based it on the fact that I'm a fairly fast eater and I knew what I wanted and so it would have been ordered and I'd have sort of cleared away within sort of ten or fifteen minutes, but it may well have been slightly later than my original statement, because these two had, erm, you know, as I said, they went off. So these two went off, sorry, Gerry and Jane went off, did their checks, you know, I wouldn't have gone, you know, while everybody else was still eating, and I went up the second check with Russell, so he's a pretty slow eater, so it may well have been sort of closer to sort of twenty past, twenty-five past nine, sometime round there before we did the next check'.
00.23.05 4078 'Okay'.


Notice how the clock is stopped just after this answer.

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IRONSIDE  Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:37 am

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:37 am

Trainee Criminal Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:15 am Posts: 489

I am with you Stella I think all children were in the apartment..They took turns to sit with the children, if you check closely you will see that someone was missing from the table each night...blamed on sicknes...the baby monitor was for Madeleine...they must have been too far away on Tuesday night to hear her cries..explaining why Mrs Fenn only heard one child crying.. Fiona in her statement says someone was sick everynight.

I am with you Stella I think all children were in the apartment..They took turns to sit with the children, if you check closely you will see that someone was missing from the table each night...blamed on sicknes...the baby monitor was for Madeleine...they must have been too far away on Tuesday night to hear her cries..explaining why Mrs Fenn only heard one child crying..


Fiona in her statement says someone was sick everynight.

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Exactly and this would explain perfectly why in Fiona's statement, which I will locate, she says that her and Dianne went to dinner first and Dave followed on. He must have been waiting for whoever's turn it was that night to show up and take over from him.

As Del Boy would say, you know it makes sense.

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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:37 am

Trainee Criminal Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:15 am Posts: 489

I am with you Stella I think all children were in the apartment..They took turns to sit with the children, if you check closely you will see that someone was missing from the table each night...blamed on sicknes...the baby monitor was for Madeleine...they must have been too far away on Tuesday night to hear her cries..explaining why Mrs Fenn only heard one child crying.. Fiona in her statement says someone was sick everynight.