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Date Posted:03/19/2010 8:22 PMCopy HTML

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Statements can be distinguished by colour  - (See applicable portions of statements below timetable)

GERRY
KATE
RUSSELL O'BRIEN
JANE TANNER
MATTHEW OLDFIELD
RACHAEL MANPILLY
DAVID PAYNE
FIONA PAYNE
DIANNE WEBSTER
Stephen Carpenter

Each 'block' indicates the location of each person (top of the column for names) according to others' statements per  5min intervals.

Memory, of course, can create variances but May 4th statements seem to consistenty vary considerably from subsequent statements a week later or Rogatory.

Note:
- Discrepancy whether Matt passed the Paynes at 8.55pm
- Discrepancy WHERE Matt passed the Payne
- Whether Gerry was at the table when the Paynes arrived
- Whether ROB was at the table when Paynes arrived
- Whether Jane left/ returned earlier than the 9.10-9.15pm claim and ROB left 20mins later, completed many tasks and returned before 9.55pm
 


an addition not applicable to this thread...MO-The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.

 TIME  KATE  GERRY  ROB  JT  MO RMO   DP FP  DW   

 9:00

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

8.55 all the members of the group were present,
 
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group.

DW -you’re not sure whether Gerry or not was there when you arrived
8.55 all the members of the group were present,

Kate May 4-at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, then he went back to the restaurant

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

8.55 
 all the members of the group were present,
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.


8.55 
 all the members of the group were present,
ROB So Matt, erm, around nine o’clock, give or take a few minutes, but around that sort of time, he got up and said ‘I’ll go and drag them out��?and I believe also had a listen outside of all of the rooms as well. In any case, as he was walking back, he actually met them on the way down. And so by the time they had sat down and Matt had come back from a brief listen at the windows of the bedrooms, we were all there.


Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms,

you could see the light on in their apartment, you could see it from the Tapas and you could see them moving around so you knew they were still there. And so I decided that I’d go back and short of chivvy them along,


at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

as I was leaving the Tapas area, you know, and their light going off and knowing that they were coming down and on their way, and
on my way up, about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down

 
Just, just into the complex, but certainly we hadn’t made it yet to the swimming pool but it was just, just about there

FP -outside kind of the, Kate and Gerry’s gate, that sort of area, erm, we bumped into Matt


DW - In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed (Gerry or Matt)either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not

DW -That was the point you see, at that time I don’t, I didn’t remember having passed Matt on the way but you know as time’s gone on and, and err I think Dave, Dave or Fiona mentioned it and that’s, I did then remember
.


perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group.


8.55 
 all the members of the group were present,

rob -
Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children

MO-
it seemed a bit silly not to go ahead and just sort of check on G***e, even though we’d only been down there about fifteen minutes

so I listened outside our shutters and went along to their shutter and had a listen out there, not because I’d been asked to
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.



8.55 all the members of the group were present,
 at the same time, one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children, too,, nevertheless he did not go to the room where the witness was staying.
JT may 4
Around 9pm, her husband arrived at the restaurant. He had succeeded in getting **** to sleep.
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals
about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down

 

David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm

he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present,
 
 

Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster, the meal booked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm,

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down


David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm

he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, 
 
Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster, the meal booked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm,
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down

David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm

he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, 
 
Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster, the meal booked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm,

PC: "Can you remember where you sat on that particular night?”

DW: "Err yes I sat sort of with my back almost towards the, err kitchen bit and err Russell was on my right, Matt was on my left and I think it was then Dave and Gerry, Fiona, Kate, Jane and Rachael.”

 
 9:05   we sat down and created a timeline so I’m aware that the next person who got up was, was Gerry, not from a really clear recollection of him getting up necessarily, but, nonetheless, Gerry was away from the table for, erm, for five or ten minutes.

 Gerry may 4 -
Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants,
     That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments        you’re not sure whether Gerry or not was there when you arrived, and you say you would have ordered your starters.”

 you don’t remember but you think it possible that
perhaps Matt and Gerald were not together with the other members of the group in the restaurant. You said earlier on when we spoke that you couldn’t picture Gerry being there.”
 
 9:10    then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation.

Her husband told her that the children were well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, who also had two children.

jt-9.10pm, Gerald McCann left the restaurant

rob-five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check

That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep.

He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****.

five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant
  five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check 

 He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****.

ROB- Jane actually got up, erm, and went over and did a check, erm, and then came back. And I don’t remember her saying anything about Gerry talking or, or, or, or any problems in the room or having seen anyone, I think she just, she just did the check and returned.
That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. 

         
 9:15   RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British citizen named Jez
 JT She went past them knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked the children in the apartment.

That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.


ROB Gerry was away from the table for, erm, for five or ten minutes.

I presume at some point, although I can’t picture it, you know, Gerry himself coming back.

RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm

RMO - around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment
 RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm JT  Five minutes later the interviewee left 

RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm
 RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm   RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm  RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm   
 9:20   RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the road
RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.
 RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.

RMO Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

 RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.  
 9:25     On her arrival at the restaurant (3) Gerald McCann was with his wife Kate Healy.

ROB - Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the main course.

RMO
He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis.

RMO Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

 ROB -by the time the starters arrived, we’d eaten them and everything else, I thought it was probably about, you know, it was time we did a check and I also needed the toilet so rather than just go to the toilet, which was almost up to the portal, I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well��? So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine,   ROB - by the time the starters arrived, we’d eaten them and everything else, I thought it was probably about, you know, it was time we did a check and I also needed the toilet so rather than just go to the toilet, which was almost up to the portal, I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well��? So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine,

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment
         
 9:30   As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm

Stephen Carpenter-
DCF: At what time did you leave the Tapas bar'

SC: I think it was at about half past nine.

When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment,

she vaguely remembered someone calling “Madeleine, Madeleine”, this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment
 
RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm
As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO -Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children.

ROB So I went into five ‘D erm, I actually went to the toilet first. Erm, and then Matt broke off at this point and he went over to his flat five ‘B� And I was just, just in the process really, after having a wee, of checking, erm, of checking Evie and had, you know, had established that she’d, erm, that she’d been, that she’d actually been sick in the cot. Erm, I, you know, Matt returned, so this was only really a matter of a couple of minutes or so later, and, you know, he asked if everything was alright and I said, you know, ‘Well Evie’s obviously awake and I think she’s been sick��? So he offered to help and stay if I needed it and I said ‘No, you go back, just let Jane know that Evie’s awake and she’s been sick and��? you know, ‘and whether she’d come back after she’s finished her dinner��?

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 

ROB Matt broke off at this point and he went over to his flat five ‘B


Erm, I, you know, Matt returned, so this was only really a matter of a couple of minutes or so later, and, you know, he asked if everything was alright and I said, you know, ‘Well Evie’s obviously awake and I think she’s been sick��? So he offered to help and stay if I needed it and I said ‘No, you go back,

Erm, so Matt then went away and, to the best of my knowledge, he then went round the back of the building and did a check of Kate and Gerry’s room via the patio door, before returning to the table. 

GERRY May 4
around 9.30 pm,  MATT  went to his apartment  and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked

 As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children.

He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door


Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm
 As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 
RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pmA

s normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm
As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 
 
 9:35       15 to 20 minutes later, (after her arrival back)Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children.

9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children.

I got Evie out and she had some sick on her, on her, on her clothes and on her face, so I actually turned on the sort of shower taps and I got her out of her, erm, out of her kind of nightie that she was in, gave her a quick wash, erm
  GM May4 
(MO)He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual.
Then MATT went back to the restaurant

RMO Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back

15 to 20 minutes later,(after her arrival back) Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children

.
9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children.
         
 9:40       Russell stayed in the room
,ROB -  and then, at some stage, either then or later on, I also stripped the, stripped the cot, I think I must have done it at the time because I think that actually had more sick on it than anything and I just rinsed that off in the bath. And then they went into the, erm, fully functioning, easily to operate by men, washing machine, that, erm, that MARK WARNER had, had, erm, provided, that was in the flat anyway. Erm, and then I just sat really with Evie down near the patio door, erm, she was, you know, she was awake but otherwise, otherwise fairly happy, and just read a book, read a book to her I think
  then Jane, you know, a number of minutes later, I mean, I would have thought his was probably around, round about the sort of twenty to mark, sort of ten minutes later from when I arrived, had come back having sort of eaten her main course  Matthew checked the children then those of Gerald and Kate.

as he did not hear any noise, he thought everything was OK and went back to the restaurant. Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room.

Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it.
         
 9:45    
ROB-Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten

ROB-We were in the flat together for a little while and I would imagine at this point probably put the washing on
 After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment            
 9:50       I went back, but I certainly didn’t see anything untoward on the way back either, although, by this point, obviously, it was pretty, it was, it was dark.  His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.
           
 9:55      At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished

ROB - I think my food was actually still there at the minute, but as I was starting to eat that, I mean, one came over and said ‘Oh no, don’t you know, ‘it’ll have gone a bit cold you know, ‘we’ll do you a fresh one So I then waited for a period of time, you know, sort of five or ten minutes while they quickly, you know, it was sort of thin steak so I’d imagine quickly grilled or fried, erm, fried up a meal of that.
             
10:00  Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant                  


9pm

Gerry may 4 -
Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then MATT went back to the restaurant.

KATE - may 4

Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband told her that the children were well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, who also had two children.

The witness notes that
at the same time, one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children, too,, nevertheless he did not go to the room where the witness was staying.

JT may 4
Around 9pm, her husband arrived at the restaurant. He had succeeded in getting **** to sleep. Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster, the meal booked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm, when the Payne family arrived. Usually, every 15 minutes one person from each apartment went to the respective rooms (1) to make sure everything was OK. During dinner, everything went well. Everybody was in a good mood.

The interviewee recall that, around 9.10pm, Gerald McCann left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to see the children. Five minutes later the interviewee left, in her turn, to go to her own apartment to check on her children. She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British citizen named Jez. They got to know each other during the holiday and played tennis together.
She went past them knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked the children in the apartment.

After checking on her children, the interviewee went back to the tapas On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the road where she had seen him talking. On her arrival at the restaurant (3) Gerald McCann was with his wife Kate Healy.

15 to 20 minutes later, Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children. As their daughter **** wasn't well, and she was crying, Russell stayed in the room. Matthew checked the children then those of Gerald and Kate. According to him, he saw the twins but he did not succeed in seeing Madeleine. But as he did not hear any noise, he thought everything was OK and went back to the restaurant. Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room. (1) After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment (1) so that the latter could eat.

While she was in the room, around 10/10.15, she heard Kate Healy and Fiona Payne shouting that Madeleine had disappeared. She did not know whether it was Kate who discovered the disappearance because she wasn't at the restaurant (3) at that moment. Every evening was like this, it was normal. In turn they left the table and went to check on the children. Madeleine Beth McCann was a sensible child, very loving, very active and fun. She liked to play. She was intelligent and the interviewee does not believe that if a stranger approached her that she would not shout. During their conversation she did not recall Kate having reported that Madeleine slept badly or that she caused any problems.

DP May 4
Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed in their respective rooms.


During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine was not in the bedroom.


MO May 5
The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm.

That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine. That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it.


As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the fourth apartment (room?), that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.

He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked because that door is visible from the restaurant.

The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because
these are people who are very comfortable financially.


ROB - At around 7.15/7.30pm, the informant went back to his apartment. He read stories to his daughters, including **** who was feeling better. His partner, Jane, went to have dinner at the "TAPAS" restaurant at around 8.30pm and he went there at around 8.45pm. When he arrived at the restaurant, nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane. They arrived more or less 5 minutes later.

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals.
While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment went to make sure the children were ok. Yesterday, as **** was not well, the interval between checks was reduced. He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the main course.

At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter **** was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.

At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished.

RMO May 4
Yesterday, at around 8.45pm, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children.
Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, ****, who was crying.

They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.


j so it was Kate, me, Rachael I think Dianne was next to Rachael, here. I really can’t, I can’t really, I can’t picture exactly,
but I know, I know I was next to Kate...I think Russell might have been the other
side of Kate or Matt was next��?

j I was almost facing the bar area

jthere were some people inside because it was quite chilly by, by this, it
was actually quite, quite cold��?


ROB So Matt, erm, around nine o’clock, give or take a few minutes, but around that sort of time, he got up and said ‘I’ll go and drag them out��?and I believe also had a listen outside of all of the rooms as well. In any case, as he was walking back, he actually met them on the way down. And so by the time they had sat down and Matt had come back from a brief listen at the windows of the bedrooms, we were all there.



we sat down and created a timeline so I’m aware that the next person who got up was, was Gerry, not from a really clear recollection of him getting up necessarily, but, nonetheless, Gerry was away from the table for, erm, for five or ten minutes. And during the time that he was away, erm, you know, we decided, me and Jane, that we’d do, we’d do a check on our room. So Jane actually got up, erm, and went over and did a check, erm, and then came back. And I don’t remember her saying anything about Gerry talking or, or, or, or any problems in the room or having seen anyone, I think she just, she just did the check and returned.


I presume at some point, although I can’t picture it, you know, Gerry himself coming back. We had, we had the starters. And I think the next clear thing in my mind is actually that, erm, by the time the starters arrived, we’d eaten them and everything else, I thought it was probably about, you know, it was time we did a check and I also needed the toilet so rather than just go to the toilet, which was almost up to the portal, I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well��? So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine,



Got to my flat five ‘D��? erm, and as we, you know, got sort of quite close I could hear Evie murmuring, so she was, she was obviously awake. So I went into five ‘D��? erm, I actually went to the toilet first. Erm, and then Matt broke off at this point and he went over to his flat five ‘B��? And I was just, just in the process really, after having a wee, of checking, erm, of checking Evie and had, you know, had established that she’d, erm, that she’d been, that she’d actually been sick in the cot. Erm, I, you know, Matt returned, so this was only really a matter of a couple of minutes or so later, and, you know, he asked if everything was alright and I said, you know, ‘Well Evie’s obviously awake and I think she’s been sick��? So he offered to help and stay if I needed it and I said ‘No, you go back, just let Jane know that Evie’s awake and she’s been sick and��? you know, ‘and whether she’d come back after she’s finished her dinner��? Erm, so Matt then went away and, to the best of my knowledge, he then went round the back of the building and did a check of Kate and Gerry’s room via the patio door, before returning to the table.


within the flat, erm, you know, I got Evie out and she had some sick on her, on her, on her clothes and on her face, so I actually turned on the sort of shower taps and I got her out of her, erm, out of her kind of nightie that she was in, gave her a quick wash, erm, and then, at some stage, either then or later on, I also stripped the, stripped the cot, I think I must have done it at the time because I think that actually had more sick on it than anything and I just rinsed that off in the bath. And then they went into the, erm, fully functioning, easily to operate by men, washing machine, that, erm, that MARK WARNER had, had, erm, provided, that was in the flat anyway. Erm, and then I just sat really with Evie down near the patio door, erm, she was, you know, she was awake but otherwise, otherwise fairly happy, and just read a book, read a book to her I think. Erm, and then Jane, you know, a number of minutes later, I mean, I would have thought his was probably around, round about the sort of twenty to mark, sort of ten minutes later from when I arrived, had come back having sort of eaten her main course



We were in the flat together for a little while and I would imagine at this point probably put the washing on and, erm, you know, and then Jane, Jane said, you know, ‘They’ve made your main course, why don’t you go back down and get it��?



I went back, but I certainly didn’t see anything untoward on the way back either, although, by this point, obviously, it was pretty, it was, it was dark. Erm, I arrived back at the table, erm, everyone, there was, there was some hilarity in the fact that Jane had been dispatched, erm, to relieve me in the apartment, erm, and I kind of, erm, quickly picked up that that was what the, what the, the joke had been. There was, there was some dialogue with the waiters, erm, of a humorous nature as well. And I think my food was actually still there at the minute, but as I was starting to eat that, I mean, one came over and said ‘Oh no, don’t��? you know, ‘it’ll have gone a bit cold��? you know, ‘we’ll do you a fresh one��? So I then waited for a period of time, you know, sort of five or ten minutes while they quickly, you know, it was sort of thin steak so I’d imagine quickly grilled or fried, erm, fried up a meal of that.


returned and that was err with Matthew OLDFIELD at about sort of twenty five past nine


Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten��?


And how many times were you absent��?
Reply “That was the only, that was the only trip��?

MO - you could see the light on in their apartment, you could see it from the Tapas and you could see them moving around so you knew they were still there. And so I decided that I’d go back and short of chivvy them along, because I felt a bit bad that, you know, there’s just us in this restaurant, as there had been most of the week, there weren’t often, erm, on one night they had a quiz and there were a few sort of more tables, erm, around that were occupied, but most of the time it was just us and I felt a bit bad that we said we’d be there at half eight and, you know, it was getting later and later and it was now coming to nine and we hadn’t even got the table there to get ready to order, but by this time in the week we knew what we were going to order, so I told Rach, you know, I’ll have whatever it was, I think it was, erm, probably sardines because, you know, they were pretty good, erm, so I put my order in for her to order if the waiter came back and went to try and sort of chivvy them along. But as I was leaving the Tapas area, you know, and their light going off and knowing that they were coming down and on their way, and on my way up, about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down and they were on their way to the restaurant, but it seemed a bit silly not to go ahead and just sort of check on G***e, even though we’d only been down there about fifteen minutes, but that was sort of a convenient time to go and do it. So I went and listened, I went, I found the time, because we’d only just been in there about fifteen minutes ago, and I just listened outside her shutters, so I just passed along that wall that goes to the two, sort of to the McCANN’s apartment, so I listened outside our shutters and went along to their shutter and had a listen out there, not because I’d been asked to, but, or it’s not the sort of thing you think about, it’s just kind of, erm,”.
00.12.06 4078 “You thought you might as well?”
Reply “So I thought I might as well and I can report back and they can be, you know, be reassured that everything was okay.


DP
1485 "Whereabouts did you pass him?”
Reply "Err…”
1485 "Can you mark, just…”
Reply "Yeah, the err where’s, this is the entrance here into the Tapas area.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "Err my recollection was that we were just got, you know we were round there, I thought we’d actually entered into the Tapas bar to just…”
1485 "Actually into the complex?”
Reply "Just, just into the complex, but certainly we hadn’t made it yet to the swimming pool but it was just, just about there.”
1485 "Okay.”
Reply "Err yeah.”
00:46:42 1485 "And what time do you think that was?”
Reply "Err we were, we were just before nine, you know just before nine o’ clock err we yeah we went between quarter to and nine o’ clock.”


Fiona
 
Erm, on the way down, we went down the normal way, as I say, out onto the main road and round the corner. And just as we were approaching, erm, probably outside kind of the, Kate and Gerry’s gate, that sort of area, erm, we bumped into Matt who was heading back to chase us up, erm, and we had a joke, you know, we’re always late. He carried on up to check on G***e and we carried on down to the Tapas Bar and when we got there everyone else, bar Matt, was sat at the table. Erm, again, (inaudible) to get on and order. Erm, you know, there’s nothing else really”.
 
DW: "Well we arrived about, I don’t know, ten to nine, five to nine, which was very late. Err and the thing that I didn’t mention at the original err interview in Portugal was that I do vaguely remember seeing Matt, he was coming up because I think he made some joke about coming up to see where we were because we were so late, but he was actually on his way to check err check the children.”

PC: "Right.”

DW: "Err so I do, I do remember that although I didn’t remember it clearly at the time err so we got down to the table err I think we ordered our starters.”

PC: "Do you remember who was there when you got there?”

DW: "Well Matt obviously wasn’t because we we’d just passed him but of course I don’t remember this at the time, and I think in my original statement I thought maybe Gerry wasn’t there, but maybe he was, you know, I don’t know.”

PC: "You can’t be sure?”

DW: "I can’t be sure because it’s not something that I think I need to remember, you know at the time, its not something you need to remember.”

PC: "No, and it was no different from any of the other nights.”

DW: "That’s right.”

PC: "People are coming and going.”

DW: "Yeah it was err we didn’t all sit in the same positions every night, you know, we (inaudible).”

PC: "Can you remember where you sat on that particular night?”

DW: "Err yes I sat sort of with my back almost towards the, err kitchen bit and err Russell was on my right, Matt was on my left and I think it was then Dave and Gerry, Fiona, Kate, Jane and Rachael.”

PC: "So if you were to look straight ahead from where you were sitting, where would you be facing?”

DW: "I’d be, I would be facing to the, err, the apartments would be over there, and I’d be looking towards the exit I suppose.”

PC: "Okay. I have got a plan here. It’s not in relation to the Tapas I’m afraid, but if you’d like to draw a diagram if it would help you then you’re very welcome to. This is just a, it’s a, it’s being referred to as DM2, that’s just an exhibit reference.”

DW: "Yeah.”

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PC: "Err, so you’re not sure whether Gerry or not was there when you arrived, and you say you would have ordered your starters.”

DW: "Ordered the starters and err we had our, we had our starters and err we’d ordered our, our main course. Now I can’t remember, I know that err Jane err during that time, you see there, I can’t remember it was Jane or Russell when they went back to check on their children, E**e had been err sick, so I think err I think it might, might have been Russell that found her sick and he came back and I think Jane went back then and that might have been, yeah that must have been at the time when err no, I don’t know. I know they had to sort of err relieve each other because E**e had been sick.”
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DW: "Yeah well at that, that was the point you see, at that time I don’t, I didn’t remember having passed Matt on the way but you know as time’s gone on and, and err I think Dave, Dave or Fiona mentioned it and that’s, I did then remember. As I say things like that at the time are irrelevant to me, they’re not...”

PC: "Yeah, well in any case he never arrived at your apartment to come and call for you did he?”

DW: "No, no, no we passed him on the way down.”

PC: "Then it says that the whole group had met up in the restaurant, you don’t remember but you think it possible that
perhaps Matt and Gerald were not together with the other members of the group in the restaurant. You said earlier on when we spoke that you couldn’t picture Gerry being there.”

DW: "Mm.”

PC: "It may have been a point where he’d gone off to check.”

DW: "Yeah.”

PC: "Err…”

DW: "Which would really tie in the time if you’re allowing half hour intervals, I mean Kate and Gerry were the first to arrive there so…”
 
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PC: "And you arrived with Fiona and David.”

DW: "Fiona and Dave yeah.”

PC: "And you’ve already said that you think everybody else was present other than Matt who you’d just seen.”

DW: "Mm.”

PC: "Going to check his children, and you can’t picture whether Gerry was there or not.”

DW: "Mm.”

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PC: "And did you leave the table at all during that dinner on the third of May?”

DW: "Err only to go to the toilet I think, probably.”
 
PC: "And then it says, where did you go and what time did you go? Well that’s not really relevant. (Laughs).”

DW: "(Laughs).”

PC: "How long were you away from the table and why?”

DW: "That’s a very personal question (laughs).”
 
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PC: "Again, what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant? Well you’ve already covered that. And who was already there? You’ve already covered that. What were Kate and Gerry doing by the time you arrived?”

DW: "Well my recollection is that, that err I thought, I thought Gerry wasn’t at the table but I can’t be a hundred percent sure. Err but I would have said that, you know, they were just sitting at the table waiting for everybody to arrive so we could order our, start ordering our food.”

PC: "And did you speak to them?”

DW: "I would think so, I spoke to everybody but, you know, I don’t…”

PC: "You can’t recall the specifics?”

DW: "No.”

PC: "What was their behaviour like?”

DW: "Just normal, you know, having a good holiday.”

PC: "And again we’ve already covered this, who left the table during the meal and why? Well you say there was Matthew, Russell and Jane comings and goings, and you don’t recall Gerry being there sometimes, so.”

DW: "Well I know that, I know that err every night, I mean the children were being checked on very regularly but I obviously wasn’t paying attention as to who was going where, when, and I wasn’t even particularly aware that sometimes they would check on each other’s children, i.e. if they were going to check their own they would listen to other people, the doors of other people, but I, I was totally unaware of that.”

PC: "I think…”

DW: "There’s no reason why I would know that.”

PC: "Yeah. I think from what I’ve learnt this week it’s actually the Thursday night was the first night that had actually…”

DW: "That that had happened.”

PC: "Yeah. I’m not wishing to labour this point but did you see Gerry leaving the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he absent? You can’t really (inaudible)…”

DW: "I can’t.”

PC: "No.”

DW: "You know, it’s…”

PC: "Can you say was he behaving or acting differently when he returned?”

DW: "No.”


Dianne Webster May 11th


Asked directly if someone had gone to her apartment to call them (herself and the PAYNE couple) for dinner the witness said no.

Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no.

That night she believes she arrived at the restaurant at around 21:00 in the company of the PAYNE couple.

That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group.

In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not.

Questioned about the members who, during the dinner, had absented themselves from the restaurant, the witness says that, as she recalls, there were some people who left, failing to identify which, except for RUSSEL who had left the restaurant and taken a little more time than usual due to, from what she knows, his daughter had been sick.

Asked, she states that it would be normal for one member of each of the couples to get up regularly in order to check in their apartments if the children were well.

She clarifies that the practice was for each couple to check their own children, it not being usual for anyone to check the children of other couples.



STEPHEN CARPENTER


DCF: We arrived at about seven because we had the children with us and I saw a man sitting at the table next to us with three children.

SC: Yes
.
DCF: He was going to take a plane the next day to Switzerland, given that the children’s mother lived there, I had never seen him before that night, but he ended up joining us for a coffee, he was a MW tourist. Another couple whose names I do not remember, sat at the table opposite us. A man was sitting on the esplanade having a drink whilst waiting for a take away, I spoke to them briefly, I hadn’t realised that the Tapas bar had a take away service. At that time i didn’t know their names. At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them, we spoke of tennis amongst other things, I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals (inaudible), I think it was to check on the children , but I do not remember with what frequency or how many times the people left the table to check on the children. We did not talk about the system for checking the children or the fact that they had left them alone in the apartment, it was only later upon hearing the news that I realised that they had left the children alone in the apartment and that they were regularly checking to see if they were all right. Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling “Madeleine, Madeleine”, this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine’s disappearance”. OK, before going on the next part, do you remember at what time you left'

SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn’t see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing “Madeleine, Madeleine” and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.



DCF: At what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant on 3rd May (inaudible)'

SC: At seven, I think at seven, yes.

DCF: Yes and you say that Kate and Gerald arrived at about half past eight, what was the theme of the conversation'

SC: I think it was just holiday chat, I think that we talked about our tennis and the good and bad aspects.
DCF: And who else was at the restaurant, well.... you have already referred to this in your statement.

SC: Yes.

DCF: Did you see Kate or Gerry leave the table before you'

SC: (Inaudible).

DCF: I think that this means the coming and going of people during the evening.

SC: Yes, I remember that people would absent themselves intermittently at different times, but I did not know why.

DCF: no.

SC: But as we discovered later, it was to check on the children.

DCF: And I imagine that your attention was directed towards your family and (inaudible).

SC: Yes, because we obviously had our two with us and we were on this side of the table, the single man with three small children was here and I****was playing with them, so we were more or less a group if you would like to call it that, of which they were a part, I think that all the ten members were there and some of us would speak to others here and on the other side of the table.

DCF: At what time did you leave the Tapas bar'

SC: I think it was at about half past nine.

DCF: I think that is what you said.

SC: Yes.

DCF: And you were accompanied, you replied that you were with your children and your wife. Where did you go afterwards, it says here...before going back to your apartment, can you describe the route you took'

SC: Directly to the apartment.

DCF: Did you see anyone outside the Tapas Bar or outside the apartments'

SC: If I saw anyone outside the Tapas bar or, hummm.. on the way home presumably'

DCF: Yes, is there anyone you remember that night, did you see anyone in the area'

SC: No.

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