The text messages...

Geko · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 pm **Posts:** 1052

The text messages that the PJ wanted to use were sent I believe on the 2nd and the 4th from an unknown number. Could these texts that are so important be from Kate to Gerry on a pay as you go phone ? This phone could then be disposed of.. Think about it, if Kate had accidentally struck Maddy too hard did she summon Gerry back from somewhere ? The strange thing is that there were none on the 3rd...my guess is they were together all day cleaning. What did the pair do on the 4th ? did they spend some time apart and needed to keep in contact ?

newperson · **Joined:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:47 pm **Posts:** 5505

the pj were reported to have said that it was due to the wire tapping of the nuclear family that they knew maddie died in the flat
i have the quote somewhere and link will edit this post when i find it

8 Aug, 2007, 8:20 Â»

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DiÃ¡rio de NoÃcias, 8 August 2007:

"Wiretaps confirm Madeleine's death"

New searches on land and at sea over the past two days

The interception of communications -- telephones (cell and land lines) and emails -- realized during the recent operations undertaken by the PJ and the British police of Madeleine's parents and the "nuclear family" has been the determining factor for the investigators to conclude that the British child died in the apartment in which she was sleeping, with her siblings, on the night of 3 May in Praia da Luz.

Geko · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 pm **Posts:** 1052

I had read that quote before and have only just realised what 'nuclear family' means, looked it up on Wiki. Until then I thought it could have been somebody summoning help from a 3rd party perhaps, until I looked at the timing of them. This re-inforces my theory of death being on the 2nd.

edited to add 'thanks'.

paddington2007 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:10 pm **Posts:** 695

Geko wrote:

The text messages that the PJ wanted to use were sent I believe on the 2nd and the 4th from an unknown number. Could these texts that are so important be from Kate to Gerry on a pay as you go phone ? This phone could then be disposed of.. Think about it, if Kate had accidentally struck Maddy too hard did she summon Gerry back from somewhere ? The strange thing is that there were none on the 3rd...my guess is they were together all day cleaning. What did the pair do on the 4th ? did they spend some time apart and needed to keep in contact ?

I think the idea of these texts being between Kate and Gerry or Gerry and other (close) members of the group is highly plausible. However, it is hard to believe you would inform anyone of the death of a child by text message - just too cold and hard, so the texts may have referred to Madeleine's death but were actually about something else - cleanup, body disposal, alibis?

The texts are going to be very significant - a Portuguese court has ruled on the inadmissibility of their content - yet Gerry totally denies their existence - Mmmm.

Geko · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 pm **Posts:** 1052

I see what you mean about it being a cold way to tell somebody about a death, however imagine she calls Gerry, he doesn't answer. Some pay and go mobiles don't take messages on voicemail. So you send a text...and then maybe another until you have the attention of the recipient.

potsy · **Posted:** Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:15 pm

Hi Geko,

I was musing that this disposable cellphone could have been the 10th communicator, or 10th Tapas that people were talking about...simply a cellphone used by one of them....interesting? eh?

xxxooo @};-

Geko · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 pm **Posts:** 1052

potsy wrote:

Hi Geko,

I was musing that this disposable cellphone could have been the 10th communicator, or 10th Tapas that people were talking about...simply a cellphone used by one of them....interesting? eh?

xxxooo @};-

Hiya Potsy, hope you're good.

Newperson's quote seems to indicate the texting was between Kate and Gerry. Maybe this is the reason the PJ concentrated their investigation on Kate, because Kate sent the first message from the apartment 5A (triangulation). Just guessing but it would be another reason they believe Maddy died in the apartment.

Respect4Kids · **Joined:** Tue May 20, 2008 12:08 am **Posts:** 920

Geko (like your "name"! they are lovely those)

trying to help, last year I did bookmark an important article about it. It was concise and very revealing. After that I thought they'd get done!

Sadly I've had mega viruses since (some m0rons that used to be in trusted responsibility HERE I deduct, since I only came to here and since they've been gone and emailing/ PM ing us all, it stopped with them.)

I'm trying to recall the site. First News or in the style.

I'd advise, if you really want a good search on the topic:

--at least 2 recent threads have been produced, here 3A, on this, search in titles-page 2 or 3 or 4....

--you can use the SEARCH button for these threads, here below it works wonders.

--you can google it with the relevant co-words , eg, "mobile phone texts, mccann, 2007"....

Recently I did massive searches for another thing and I saw it, so it shouldn't be too hard, I'd start perhaps with First News it was a real scorcher.

If anyone has it saved thanx for looking back....

Penelope · **Joined:** Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:43 am **Posts:** 81

FYI the content of text messages can be retrieved and read by telephone companies - with police permission only.

Its a pity this evidence has been ruled inadmissable (political pressure?). I understand that the PJ are appealing this ruling. Maybe the will shelve the case if they can't use the mobile phone evidence - it coud be crucial.

Geko · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 pm **Posts:** 1052

Respect4Kids wrote:

Geko (like your "name"! they are lovely those)

trying to help, last year I did bookmark an important article about it. It was concise and very revealing. After that I thought they'd get done!

Sadly I've had mega viruses since (some m0rons that used to be in trusted responsibility HERE I deduct, since I only came to here and since they've been gone and emailing/ PM ing us all, it stopped with them.)

I'm trying to recall the site. First News or in the style.

I'd advise, if you really want a good search on the topic:

--at least 2 recent threads have been produced, here 3A, on this, search in titles-page 2 or 3 or 4....

--you can use the SEARCH button for these threads, here below it works wonders.

--you can google it with the relevant co-words , eg, "mobile phone texts, mccann, 2007"....

Recently I did massive searches for another thing and I saw it, so it shouldn't be too hard, I'd start perhaps with First News it was a real scorcher.

If anyone has it saved thanx for looking back....

Thanks, will have a look tomorrow

potsy · **Posted:** Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:57 pm

Geko wrote:

potsy wrote:

Hi Geko,

I was musing that this disposable cellphone could have been the 10th communicator, or 10th Tapas that people were talking about...simply a cellphone used by one of them....interesting? eh?

xxxooo @};-

Hiya Potsy, hope you're good.

Newperson's quote seems to indicate the texting was between Kate and Gerry. Maybe this is the reason the PJ concentrated their investigation on Kate, because Kate sent the first message from the apartment 5A (triangulation). Just guessing but it would be another reason they believe Maddy died in the apartment.

Geko, but I was thinking the most important thing is the 10th tapas may simply be this throwaway cellphone..used to hide the communications...there was no 10th person, just a 10th communicator....the phone...and probably g....used it instead of his own cell.....or also used his own cell....hmmmm....

Geko · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 pm **Posts:** 1052

potsy wrote:

Geko wrote:

potsy wrote:

Hi Geko,

I was musing that this disposable cellphone could have been the 10th communicator, or 10th Tapas that people were talking about...simply a cellphone used by one of them....interesting? eh?

xxxooo @};-

Hiya Potsy, hope you're good.

Newperson's quote seems to indicate the texting was between Kate and Gerry. Maybe this is the reason the PJ concentrated their investigation on Kate, because Kate sent the first message from the apartment 5A (triangulation). Just guessing but it would be another reason they believe Maddy died in the apartment.

Geko, but I was thinking the most important thing is the 10th tapas may simply be this throwaway cellphone..used to hide the communications...there was no 10th person, just a 10th communicator....the phone...and probably g....used it instead of his own cell.....or also used his own cell....hmmmm....

Good point Potsy, i'll sleep on it..

potsy · **Posted:** Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:24 pm

Geko wrote:

potsy wrote:

Geko wrote:

potsy wrote:

Hi Geko,

I was musing that this disposable cellphone could have been the 10th communicator, or 10th Tapas that people were talking about...simply a cellphone used by one of them....interesting? eh?

xxxooo @};-

Hiya Potsy, hope you're good.

Newperson's quote seems to indicate the texting was between Kate and Gerry. Maybe this is the reason the PJ concentrated their investigation on Kate, because Kate sent the first message from the apartment 5A (triangulation). Just guessing but it would be another reason they believe Maddy died in the apartment.

Geko, but I was thinking the most important thing is the 10th tapas may simply be this throwaway cellphone..used to hide the communications...there was no 10th person, just a 10th communicator....the phone...and probably g....used it instead of his own cell.....or also used his own cell....hmmmm....

Good point Potsy, i'll sleep on it..

Nighty Night Geko.... i-)

fletcher · **Joined:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:05 am **Posts:** 132

I think there were 11 numbers of interest, though, potsy.

potsy · **Posted:** Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:35 pm

fletcher wrote:

I think there were 11 numbers of interest, though, potsy.

Well, hmmm...dunno...just know there were articles indicating a tenth tapas...due to communications...soooo...was thinking it was the throwaway phone being used to obfuscate...

fletcher · **Joined:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:05 am **Posts:** 132

potsy wrote:

fletcher wrote:

I think there were 11 numbers of interest, though, potsy.

Well, hmmm...dunno...just know there were articles indicating a tenth tapas...due to communications...soooo...was thinking it was the throwaway phone being used to obfuscate...

Sorry. Wasn't disputing the possibility of anyone else being there. Just thought the 11 'phones thing introduced new possibilities/ things for consideration. It's a bit late/early for me but, from what I can recall, it was something like there were 10 established numbers involved in communications and an eleventh phone, the number of which needed to be identified?

Unix1 · **Joined:** Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:42 pm **Posts:** 410

Geko wrote:

Respect4Kids wrote:

Geko (like your "name"! they are lovely those)

trying to help, last year I did bookmark an important article about it. It was concise and very revealing. After that I thought they'd get done!

Sadly I've had mega viruses since (some m0rons that used to be in trusted responsibility HERE I deduct, since I only came to here and since they've been gone and emailing/ PM ing us all, it stopped with them.)

I'm trying to recall the site. First News or in the style.

I'd advise, if you really want a good search on the topic:

--at least 2 recent threads have been produced, here 3A, on this, search in titles-page 2 or 3 or 4....

--you can use the SEARCH button for these threads, here below it works wonders.

--you can google it with the relevant co-words , eg, "mobile phone texts, mccann, 2007"....

Recently I did massive searches for another thing and I saw it, so it shouldn't be too hard, I'd start perhaps with First News it was a real scorcher.

If anyone has it saved thanx for looking back....

Thanks, will have a look tomorrow

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13918

phone messages being discussed here Geko

potsy · **Posted:** Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:16 am

fletcher wrote:

potsy wrote:

fletcher wrote:

I think there were 11 numbers of interest, though, potsy.

Well, hmmm...dunno...just know there were articles indicating a tenth tapas...due to communications...soooo...was thinking it was the throwaway phone being used to obfuscate...

Sorry. Wasn't disputing the possibility of anyone else being there. Just thought the 11 'phones thing introduced new possibilities/ things for consideration. It's a bit late/early for me but, from what I can recall, it was something like there were 10 established numbers involved in communications and an eleventh phone, the number of which needed to be identified?

Thanks....for clearing that up for me...I thought it was 9 tapas and one extra phone...but I could be wrong...this case is soo confusing....cheers...

Finmental · **Joined:** Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:35 am **Posts:** 1058

there were reports ( could be a forum myth though), that the PJ know that Gerry purchased a pay as you go phone. But, if the texts were made on this phone between the 2nd and 4th of May, it either points towards premeditation (and if this is so, why would Gerry wait and buy the phone in Portugal, seems daft), or Madeleine died even earlier than we think.

fletcher · **Joined:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:05 am **Posts:** 132

potsy wrote:

fletcher wrote:

potsy wrote:

fletcher wrote:

I think there were 11 numbers of interest, though, potsy.

Well, hmmm...dunno...just know there were articles indicating a tenth tapas...due to communications...soooo...was thinking it was the throwaway phone being used to obfuscate...

Sorry. Wasn't disputing the possibility of anyone else being there. Just thought the 11 'phones thing introduced new possibilities/ things for consideration. It's a bit late/early for me but, from what I can recall, it was something like there were 10 established numbers involved in communications and an eleventh phone, the number of which needed to be identified?

Thanks....for clearing that up for me...I thought it was 9 tapas and one extra phone...but I could be wrong...this case is soo confusing....cheers...

Hmm. Now I'm confused. I've been looking for the thread that was up a while ago that had an excerpt from the Ministry's site with a list of the numbers, but all I can find is discussion of newspaper reports saying that there were 10 'phones. Unless I'm starting to dream about being on this site and things that are written on it, I can't help but think there's significance in the wrong number being reported in the Press, so, hopefully the right search keyword will come to mind.

mickahoine · **Joined:** Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:39 am **Posts:** 384

not ALL phone or txts where ruled out!!!!
the PJ asked for an unknown no of phones info
from 8pm 3/5/07 untill 12pm 4/5/07.
this was not allowed,BUT i feel the importance of these phones was not limited to these
so one would presume THAT after that time they had a court order.
their was another 10 phones disallowed from 29 /4/07 untill, forget date,
sometime sept.same applies would suppose after which they had permission!!!
also asked and denied was mystery phone no and 14 txts.
this i believe is very importamt,given espically the amount of time and posts
that try to imply otherwise.

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