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Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:34 AMCopy HTML http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/timelines-hideho-s-research-f174/tuesday-may-1st-timeline-t8466.htm <!-- google_ad_section_end -->Tuesday appears to be the last credible sighting of Madeleine (IMO) by Georgina the tennis coach at the same time that Gerry had his tennis lesson with Dan. (where tennis pic was taken?) Did something \'happen\' that afternoon? According to Jez they had a doubles game (following the lesson) with two of Gerry\'s friends and then Jez, ROB and Gerry walked to the creche to pick Gerry signed out Madeleine but ROB did not sign out E**a. After lunch at 1.30 K&G took the children to the beach with the twins in carriage. on Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead. Gerry and Madeleine paddled in the water. They went to an esplanade of a cafe (Paraiso?) where they had 5 ice creams and 2 drinks and watched a guitarist. the individual had a neglected and careless appearance, unshaven and somewhat shabby [raggedy]. He was Caucasian, 175cm tall, thin, 70 to 75kg in weight, dark, short hair, almost shaven-headed with grey sides, and not wearing glasses. Wearing a light brown-coloured “kispo” [coat?], with a hood at the back, and dark cotton trousers, not noticing the footwear. He said that he never behaved strangely, nor approached or looked at the children in an ostensible [deliberate/menacing] manner They left the beach area after spending 20 mins there as it became cloudy and cold. In the afternoon Gerry signed Madeleine in at 2.30 and Cat Nanny signed Ella in at the same time. ROB I recall going for a sailing lesson on Tuesday and Jane went to play tennis, we collected the kids as usual around lunchtime, Kate and Gerry had lunch in their apartment as they did on most days. I went out in the afternoon to the beach I was with Matt and as far as I can recall we went out kayaking. No-one signed Madeleine out and Ella was signed out by ? at 5.30pm After 3.00pm I can see no statements (so far) describing what any of the tapas 7 did until the evening. Tuesday was Quiz night, ROB was not there due to one of the children being sick (contradictions on different statements whether E**a or E**e.) He also states it was the first time they were all together. (both JT and ROB cannot agree on days Monday or Tuesday) Rachael says she was ill that night (Rog) but also also says not at tapas on Wednesday. Kates mobile places her in/near 5 A for a call around 10:16approx and 10:30approx Kate say ROB was looking after younger daughter and Jane or SOMEONE took him his meal MRS FENN HEARD CRYING between 10:30 and 11:45 Finished dinner around 11 PM, and together with Gerry, left for the apartment. She thinks they went to the flat four times: Gerry twice and she twice. Approx. 9, 9:30, 10, and 10:30PM. on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and slep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens’ room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time. She says that on that night the twins slept in the room where Madeleine slept, each in their own crib. When asked if Madeleine slept in their room, she says yes, as mentioned, on the Tuesday night. NOTE: Cleaner saw a crib in the McCann\'s bedroom on Wednesday morning. Jez Wilkins remembers seeing the twins with McCann\'s FRIENDS (day unknown) JEZ - I do not have grand memories of Madeleine but did see her on some occasions with her parents in the crèche. My last memory of the twins, specifically, was in the company of adults (I think they were friends that travelled here) in the pool zone and also on the day that we left, Who would be looking after the twins at the pool? Tuesday and other days can be seen in \'table\' form for easier comparison http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Comparison-Timetables/Comparison-Daytime-Timetable-Creche-Times-1-493807.html   10am Rachael Reply “Erm well I saw Kate, I chatted to Kate by the pool, erm in the morning”. 1578 “What time was that”? Reply “That would have been from sort of, you know half nine, ten o’clock onwards, we were chatting when Madeleine arrived for the tennis lesson with the rest of the children from her group, erm I think that was probably about ten thirty, erm and Gerry was there then as well, I think he’d been having a lesson on the tennis courts I think, he was having group lessons, so I think he might have been having his lesson sort of up until then, erm so they were both there then and then erm Matt and I had our tennis lesson and then Jane and I, May 1 is the day Paynes sailed in morning JEZ - Tuesday, 1st May, 2007 we again had a tennis lesson together. JEZ Tues 1 May 07. This was again during a tennis session and it was at this time he met some of the group and realized that the people he met on the Plane were indeed part of the group. (ROB MO JT RM) GEORGINA LOUISE JACKSON She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent. Daily court booking sheet Tuesday 01 May 2007 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/TB/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_656.jpg Luis Felipe Monteiro Ferro Date/Time: 2007/05/07 13H00 Maintenance Worker Portuguese This happened on Tuesday, the first of May, in the sequence of a service that he had to carry out in the apartment where this family was staying, also known as Block G5, Letter A; . This serviced was carried out between 10H00 and 11H00 (NOTE: Kates tennis was 9.15 - 10.15), together with his colleague who is named Mario, and consisted of the repair of a blind in the room of the parents of the minor; . In this sequence, the deponent and his colleague also taught the mother of the child how to operate the washing machine; . The woman in question was alone in the apartment; . The only places of the apartment where the deponent and his colleague entered was the kitchen and the parent’s bedroom; 11:00am Kids club - mini-tennis ↓ 09.15-10.15 K ↓ G 10.15-11.15 ↓ Madeleine and E**a * Get camera Jez - After the lessons, this time we had a game of doubles together with two friends of his! At this point I established that Jerry and his family had come along with a group of other families, four (4) in totals. The game longed about one hour and a quarter. 12:00 FORMS 12.?0 GM GERRY From memory, on Tuesday, 1 May 2007, being shown by RUSSEL, he went to pick up MADELEINE at crèche using a short-cut that began at the car park opposite the secondary reception and went between the buildings, which he used to fetch and carry his daughter NOTE: If ROB and Gerry went together to pick up children (as per above) ROB did not sign Ella out.....Jes Wilkins also recalls walking to creche with Gerry and Russell at 12.30 May 1st .. JEZ He recalled walking to the crèche with Gerry who had left Madeleine with the staff. This was about 1230 hrs on Tues 1 May. He then went on to explain that the children could be left with the staff during the evening and that most would be picked up before 10pm. It was not an unusual sight to see people walking through the site at night with a child in their arms asleep. NOTE:Inspiration for bundleman? The crèche would also provide a blanket to cover the child if required. He had taken up this facility hence his knowledge of the procedure. Jez -After the game we walked together with a third male called Russell or Matt, to pick the children up from the Mini-Club My son was in the Sharks group. I believe that Madeleine was in the Lobsters. 1:00 JEZ He recalled walking to the crèche with Gerry who had left Madeleine with the staff. This was about 1230 hrs on Tues 1 May. He then went on to explain that the children could be left with the staff during the evening and that most would be picked up before 10pm. It was not an unusual sight to see people walking through the site at night with a child in their arms asleep. The crèche would also provide a blanket to cover the child if required. He had taken up this facility hence his knowledge of the procedure. FIONA-We didn’t really see Kate and Gerry for any lunchtimes, but I know one of those, I remember Kate saying it was a bit of a disaster, because Sean put his feet on the sand and didn’t like it and it was cold and windy and it was all a bit of a disaster, so they didn’t do it again. GERRY on Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead. ----- They were at the beach for about 20 minutes, the deponent and MADELEINE having paddled in the water. During this time the weather changed with a cloudy sky and cold, they went to an esplanade of a café next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks. Asked, he said that at that place there was an individual playing latin music on a guitar to whom he intended to give some coins, but having none at the time, he didn\'t. That the individual had a neglected and careless appearance, unshaven and somewhat shabby [raggedy]. He was Caucasian, 175cm tall, thin, 70 to 75kg in weight, dark, short hair, almost shaven-headed with grey sides, and not wearing glasses. Wearing a light brown-coloured “kispo” [coat?], with a hood at the back, and dark cotton trousers, not noticing the footwear. He said that he never behaved strangely, nor approached or looked at the children in an ostensible [deliberate/menacing] manner. On returning they left the children at their crèches, as usual, the parents having gone to play tennis or went jogging. No date Apart from the Kid\'s Club, and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the twins and for a very short time, since the weather was changeable. In Praia, they only ate an ice cream and went back to the apartment. Lunch → apartment RAIN 2:00   on Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead. ----- They were at the beach for about 20 minutes, the deponent and MADELEINE having paddled in the water. During this time the weather changed with a cloudy sky and cold, they went to an esplanade of a café next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks. Asked, he said that at that place there was an individual playing latin music on a guitar to whom he intended to give some coins, but having none at the time, he didn\'t. That the individual had a neglected and careless appearance, unshaven and somewhat shabby [raggedy]. He was Caucasian, 175cm tall, thin, 70 to 75kg in weight, dark, short hair, almost shaven-headed with grey sides, and not wearing glasses. Wearing a light brown-coloured “kispo” [coat?], with a hood at the back, and dark cotton trousers, not noticing the footwear. He said that he never behaved strangely, nor approached or looked at the children in an ostensible [deliberate/menacing] manner. On returning they left the children at their crèches, as usual, the parents having gone to play tennis or went jogging. \"of a café next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks\". NOTE: Was this Paraiso? Were there CCTV cameras? Why be specific about what they bought? Why go into detail about the guitarist? On returning they left the children at their crèches, as usual, the parents having gone to play tennis or went jogging. FORMS 2.30 (not signed out) Kids clubs Beach sunglasses Ice cream 13:30 → 15:00 and this 3:00 Kids club? 15.15 ? time not so good ? G tennis lessons - ok Catriona, that in the last days they went to the beach on Tuesday afternoon (01 of May 2007), between 15H30 and 16h30 AFTER 7 pm Restaurant? object tennis Russell not E**e felt bad (5D) was Russ apartment Food brought up ROB Tuesday it was the first night we’d all been together, the nine of us, actually, you know, present‿ But I wasn’t there, I don’t recall the Trivia Quiz, that was the night I wasn’t there, I stayed in the flat with E*** wasn’t well and Jane brought her over’, so if at the end of that statement, that paragraph, it then says ‘this occurred on the night where there was a Trivia Quiz, possibly conducted by the aerobics instructor’, GERRY Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise. Rachael Rog I was ill on the Tuesday night When asked about May 1, 2007 (holiday), she says that on that day they left the apartment around 8:30PM, the same time that was repeated every night. This time was marked at the restaurant as the beginning of dinner, except Saturday, arrival day, when they had dinner at the Millenium. On this day, May 1, the children were asleep, as she put them to bed around 7:15/7:30 and was sure they were sleeping. MRS FENN HEARD CRYING 10:30 and 11:45, Mobile records places Kate in/near 5a between 10:15pm & 10:30 KATE They arrived at the Tapas around 8:31, taking the direct route, i.e. left by the verandah door, went down to the road and entered the secondary reception of the complex. As they left by the verandah door, this door remained closed but not locked, as this is only possible from the inside. The curtains were closed. When they arrived at the Tapas, she thinks that nobody from the group was there, but is not sure. During dinner, every half hour they went to the apartment to check on the children. This was done by KM and Gerry. Does not remember if on this night any of their friends went to the apartment. States that Russell was not present during dinner, so his wife Jane, or somebody took him dinner to the flat. The reason for his absence was that their youngest daughter was sick. Finished dinner around 11 PM, and together with Gerry, left for the apartment. She thinks they went to the flat four times: Gerry twice and she twice. Approx. 9, 9:30, 10, and 10:30PM. When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on the night of the Tuesday for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45, she says it is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and slep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens’ room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time. She says that on that night the twins slept in the room where Madeleine slept, each in their own crib. When asked if Madeleine slept in their room, she says yes, as mentioned, on the Tuesday night. I welcome any additional times (mobile, statements etc) that I can add for Tuesday or any other day to edit into the timelines NOTE: WHO WAS MISSING FROM TABLE AFTER EATING? Najoua Chekaya She was recruited to give aerobic classes, however she was also asked to carry out a Quiz (game) twice a week (Tuesdays and Sundays) in the Ocean Club Tapas restaurant and returned to the Tapas Bar for dinner and at 21.00 did a kind of quiz with the guests who were having dinner in the restaurant. She remembers that last Tuesday at the end of the quiz, she was invited to the table of nine guests who asked her to join them for a drink. She was at their table for about fifteen to twenty minutes and it was there that she met Mdeleine’s father, who directly invited her to the table, however, she does not know whether Madeleine’s mother was also there. When questioned, she said that they talked of banalities and she did not notice any aspect or behaviour that was out of the ordinary. When questioned, she said that during the time that she was there Madeleine’s father did not leave the table, neither did any of the other guests, however, during this time one of the chairs was always empty, that of someone who had had dinner and left, not managing to indicate any identifying element about this person. When questioned, she said she was at the table from about 21.30 to 21.50 Witness statement: Najoua Chekaya Date: 20 June 2007 --- In accordance with the statements made by her in this case, on 9 May 2007, she confirms it having been on the Tuesday, 1 May 2007, that she was invited to the table of the group of which the McCann couple were part, by Gerry himself. --- That she recalls there being an empty place [seat] at the table, not being certain if it had been Madeleine\'s mother\'s place given that she is not sure if they had met each other there at that time. --- The photographs of the group of the McCann\'s friends having been shown to her, the deponent declares that from those photos seen she has some reservations about David Payne [in that] while she thinks he was also there, she had not noted his presence. --- The question asked she declares not being certain who was missing from the group. CLEANER WEDNESDAY MORNING: Maria Julia S. da Silva. With respect to her activities performed directly in the apartment, she declares that the last time she entered the apartment was on the Wednesday prior to the events, specifically on the 2nd of May, when she cleaned the apartment. When questioned, she declares that as opposed to what is established, on Thursday the 3rd and due to other chores, she did not have time to collect the garbage bags. She remembers that when she entered Apartment A on the Wednesday, the parents were inside. After being duly authorized, she entered and carried out her work, because they were already on their way out. While she was in the apartment, there were no children there, and she supposed that they were in the creche. While performing her work, she remembers having noticed that the couple was sleeping in the room located opposite the entrance, where she confirmed the presence of a child’s bed (crib). The room gives onto an outdoor garden by means of a terrace, as it is on the ground floor,. In the room next to the entrance to the apartment there was a bed placed next to the wall (where she supposed the missing child slept), and also the second child’s bed (crib). All these beds were untidy at the time, meaning that they had been used. She also declares that in the room next to the entrance was another bed that had not been used. Last edited by HiDeHo on Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:54 pm; edited 11 times in total |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:35 AMCopy HTML This seems to be the day that everyone is trying to avoid... <!-- google_ad_section_end -->MO running with Kate - Monday or Tuesday ROB not at Tapas Bar because sick child - Monday or Tuesday JT cannot remember ROB at Tapas - Monday or Tuesday Fiona and others (she can't remember if K&G also) at beach in the evening - Monday or Tuesday Rachael sick Tuesday or Wednesday Kayaks Monday or Tuesday Maddie's crying incident, Tuesday or Wednesday Gerry clams: Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom, with KATE, as she had told him that one or both twins were crying, making much noise. (Keep in mind this is from his statement from May 10th...Mrs Fenn did not tell them about the crying....so they were maybe pre-empting any possible witness statements, maybe attempting to confuse which day, not realising Mrs Fenns statement.) August 10 2007 statement She states that she never told the McCs that their daughter had cried on Tuesday, because she thought that would hurt them even more. Sunday, Monday or Tuesday K & G and kids ate in Paynes apartment for lunch Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada Profession: Cleaner She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same king of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands, their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs. When asked, she does not remember whether the father pulled the door closed or locked it with a key. After she chatted to her mother about there being many children in the apartments, she had the idea that the family in 5H were friends of Madeleine’s family who were staying in 5 A. Last edited by HiDeHo on Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:04 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:37 AMCopy HTML <!-- google_ad_section_start --> @Eddie........So she was, without doubt, seen on the 3rd?? answer: no http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487506/Revealed-The-nanny-help-clear-McCanns-name.html The Mail on Sunday has also learned that within 24 hours of that interview Ms Baker was dispatched by Mark Warner to take up a new position in the Greek resort of San Agostino along with four other members of staff. They were all linked to the seven holidaymakers who had eaten in the resort's tapas restaurant with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. It is believed Ms Baker has since been reinterviewed by both British and Portuguese police but she has been told not to comment on the investigation. The young nanny, described as 'fun and vivacious', has been deeply affected by Madeleine's disappearance, telling friends of nights without sleep and a complete loss of appetite. Writing to one concerned friend nine days after Madeleine disappeared, she admitted: 'I was her nanny, so it's been tough for me, you wouldn't recognise me. 'It's hit me so hard I've hardly slept or eaten. My mum came to see me, but transferring me to "San Ag" has put me back at stage one as I am so stressed again. it is my opinion CB was 'leant on'. |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:49 AMCopy HTML
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:50 AMCopy HTML
vengefulangel  AshwilYes the 2nd of May seems to look like a real possibility for me too. I have to say I always did wonder why Madeleine was crying for such a long period, especially as Mrs Fenn heard it all, if the Tapas were walking back for their own checks surely they heard it too as they passed by the apartment??? Even if it was the 3rd it means that the mccanns went to dinner initially knowing full well Madeleine was dead, rather than an accident which unfolded during the checks. Unthinkable really. |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:51 AMCopy HTML http://mccannfiles.com/id174.html: Use of Telephone is a must to remove the body when the “carrier”(confirming GA ‘s suspicion on outside help) seems to be not from Tapas9. IF maddy died on 1st may. May 1st: "Kate McCann's mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the "Tapas 9". Incomplete info. Who were the calls made to? Another/"friend" (DP? with another mobile no./sim) to have a “talk” to even out GM's extra attention to Miss Chekaya? Is it true that chekaya could not identify/remember DP at table on Tues. night? Was kate at Tapas when calls came?-unlikely. "Mrs Fenn…that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying." It is assumed that kate’s mobile was in apartment-can be false. Possible kate left 5A after using the phone for her “talk”. If Maddy suddenly stopped crying, that means: 1. that either GM came at 23.45 (where was kate?) OR….looks unlikely. 2. kate and GM returned together (means that kate carried her mobile to the "Tapas" on 1st may- she phones after leaving tapas in an angry mood and returns-unlikely) OR kate returned to Tapas after entering 5A, phoning from 5A, and finding “talk” not possible (likely). maddy stopped crying, parents overdosed on calpol, maddie died on bed at 5-7am on 2nd may. No time for cadaver smell to develop on bed. 3. maddy stopped crying on her own (tired-unlikely as Mrs.Fenn heard a door) OR 4. kate came in (or was inside 5A-unlikely) at the 5A at 23.45 after her “talk”, lost it and banged Maddy's head , injuring her (blood),overdosed calpol Or kate bangs her head, maddy slumps on floor, kate does not care and goes off to sleep on the bed in the children’s room (cruel, unbelievable, highly unlikely). If GM (drunk) returns later from Tapas ,he goes off to sleep w/o checking on kate (and children)….usual scenario in their married life when kate ,when upset, does not sleep in their bed. Or maybe maddy falls down (dizzy-calpol) from sofa (blood) while sleepwalking in the night and dies. "On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend "Amanda" at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning." If maddy was found dead/hardly breathing on 2nd morning by kate, kate immed. calls "amanda" (something wrong with maddy’s breathing) before alerting GM. “At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.” Death confirmed by 9-10 if not earlier. Operation coverup planning started. Somedy in UK most likely knows about Maddy’s death by now (10.47). I think GM makes the call on kate’s mobile at 8.53 (careful not to use his). “Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)”. Somebody finalises how to get rid of body from 5A (cupboard). “At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar.” Body to be taken that night (best time-dead of night) or 3rd morning. “On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCann's mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.” This is the carrier guy . Body is put in a car-risky in the morning or Carrier guy confirms-Body in freezer in an unused apartment/job done. “At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscriber's name.” Carrier guy confirms-Body in freezer in an unused apartment/job done. Or loose ends tied up call. Radio silence planned. Ofcourse ,code words are used for maddy,freezer,etc. Would have been interesting who amanda called in the morning,calls checked from uk to portugal (to a male) on 2nd may morning, why kate’s mom called kate on 2nd may afternoon. Somebody can answer me these doubts: 1.Exact time alarm raised by kate.A deposition by anyone other than Tapas9. 22.15-anyone? So time gels with smith sighting of GM (or russel???same brown hair) ( 2155-2200) with “amelie” or one of other girls who looks like maddy-she also being sedated so thather arms fall by the side. How much time for GM to return to Tapas from smith sighting point-by same way? Return via Other street?how much time?anyone from PDL in this forum? I think a waiting car (or a car following GM intelligently) dropped GM/Russel back near to 5A-timings too tight w/o car. GM wanted somebody to see a man carrying a child on the 3rd night to camoflauge the real time of dissappearance. 2.Location/reason for cadaverine smell on flowerbed? |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:53 AMCopy HTML bmaamba
What can be trusted in the case: 1. Not the statements of tapas9 , and also their families and friends- although some of the statements of families/friends about what G&K Mcann told them immediately after supposed abduction can be relied upon. 2. Not all the statements of nannies, child support staff-they see to have been negligent (not strict) about maintaining the creche records. 3. Waiters, cleaners, etc. of tapas, resort. 3. Smiths (one of the smiths, in the deposition, says something like the girl was shorter/smaller than a 4yr. old- forgot to post this in my previous post) , mrs.Fenn, gaspars ( I believe mrs.G more than mr.G here- I think women are more aware of sexual situations), dogs, dog handler. 4. Not the statements of spin doctors. 5. Not the statements of a few British officials who seem to have a vested interest in not finding the truth- they may have been leaned upon. 6. PJ field officers ,though they have screwed up in not following the prescribed investigating procedures. 7. phone records, credit card records.We know that there are no credit card records. I am no expert in telephone records...somebody correct me here…. Portuguese authorities have access to records (time) of all the phones which have been serviced by the cell phone tower/s of PDL and from which number the call originated. But the call details like amount of time of call, whether sms or call, special originating nos., etc. can only be provided by the cellphone companies which are British. My perception is cell phone companies have not been very co-operative with portuguese authorities (I may be wrong). 8. Not all the creche records. OK, I believe that someone outside of tapas9 was used to move the body (as also GA). If one accepts this, use of mobile phones by the main actors (mcanns, carrier of body) becomes mandatory. The carrier should have access to a chiller in an apartment which was locked up. This carrier was either arranged by a british resident ( now communication links become critical) or by one or more of tapas9 ( preferably by a single male-maybe DP as he was one who met kate on 3rd @1700 hrs) -GM would not have liked for all of his tapas 7 friends to know about the main act). Hence my post. Sorry about the subtitle:should have been : IF maddy died on 1st/2nd may. I hope my previous post makes a little sense now…. |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:55 AMCopy HTML After reading this statement from the maintenance worker that fixed the blinds on Tuesday morning... Luis Felipe Monteiro Ferro Date/Time: 2007/05/07 13H00 Maintenance Worker Portuguese This happened on Tuesday, the first of May, in the sequence of a service that he had to carry out in the apartment where this family was staying, also known as Block G5, Letter A; . This serviced was carried out between 10H00 and 11H00, together with his colleague who is named Mario, and consisted of the repair of a blind in the room of the parents of the minor; . In this sequence, the deponent and his colleague also taught the mother of the child how to operate the washing machine; . The woman in question was alone in the apartment; . The only places of the apartment where the deponent and his colleague entered was the kitchen and the parent’s bedroom; Wasn't Kate at tennis until 10.15? Between 10 and 11 is when Madeleine was playing tennis (possibly where the tennis balls photo was taken) Didn't Kate say that she took the photo? (or was it JT) How could she be in three places at once or am I getting confused? |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:56 AMCopy HTML Who left the table before 9.30pm after eating? <!-- google_ad_section_end -->(note: this was the night Mrs Fenn heard crying) Najoua Chekaya She was recruited to give aerobic classes, however she was also asked to carry out a Quiz (game) twice a week (Tuesdays and Sundays) in the Ocean Club Tapas restaurant and returned to the Tapas Bar for dinner and at 21.00 did a kind of quiz with the guests who were having dinner in the restaurant. She remembers that last Tuesday at the end of the quiz, she was invited to the table of nine guests who asked her to join them for a drink. She was at their table for about fifteen to twenty minutes and it was there that she met Mdeleine’s father, who directly invited her to the table, however, she does not know whether Madeleine’s mother was also there. When questioned, she said that they talked of banalities and she did not notice any aspect or behaviour that was out of the ordinary. When questioned, she said that during the time that she was there Madeleine’s father did not leave the table, neither did any of the other guests, however, during this time not managing to indicate any identifying element about this person.one of the chairs was always empty, that of someone who had had dinner and left, When questioned, she said she was at the table from about 21.30 to 21.50 Witness statement: Najoua Chekaya Date: 20 June 2007 --- In accordance with the statements made by her in this case, on 9 May 2007, she confirms it having been on the Tuesday, 1 May 2007, that she was invited to the table of the group of which the McCann couple were part, by Gerry himself. --- That she recalls there being an empty place [seat] at the table, not being certain if it had been Madeleine's mother's place given that she is not sure if they had met each other there at that time. --- The photographs of the group of the McCann's friends having been shown to her, the deponent declares that from those photos seen she has some reservations about David Payne [in that] while she thinks he was also there, she had not noted his presence. --- The question asked she declares not being certain who was missing from the group. Last edited by HiDeHo on Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:57 AMCopy HTML Although this statement refers to Wednesday morning I found this relevant to Tuesday night sleeping arrangements. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->Why was one of the cribs in the parents bedroom? CLEANER WEDNESDAY MORNING: Maria Julia S. da Silva. With respect to her activities performed directly in the apartment, she declares that the last time she entered the apartment was on the Wednesday prior to the events, specifically on the 2nd of May, when she cleaned the apartment. When questioned, she declares that as opposed to what is established, on Thursday the 3rd and due to other chores, she did not have time to collect the garbage bags. She remembers that when she entered Apartment A on the Wednesday, the parents were inside. After being duly authorized, she entered and carried out her work, because they were already on their way out. While she was in the apartment, there were no children there, and she supposed that they were in the creche. While performing her work, she remembers having noticed that the couple was sleeping in the room located opposite the entrance, where she confirmed the presence of a child’s bed (crib). The room gives onto an outdoor garden by means of a terrace, as it is on the ground floor,. In the room next to the entrance to the apartment there was a bed placed next to the wall (where she supposed the missing child slept), and also the second child’s bed (crib). All these beds were untidy at the time, meaning that they had been used. She also declares that in the room next to the entrance was another bed that had not been used. |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:58 AMCopy HTML HiDeHo on Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:05 pm
<!-- google_ad_section_start --> From my recollection of the statements, Monday, Wednesday and Saturday, the apartment is cleaned, Tuesday and Thursday the garbage is removed. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->Regarding the cot in the parents bedroom... Kate When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on the night of the Tuesday for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45, she says it is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and slep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens’ room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time. She says that on that night the twins slept in the room where Madeleine slept, each in their own crib. When asked if Madeleine slept in their room, she says yes, as mentioned, on the Tuesday night. GERRY Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise. The cot in their bedroom doesn't make sense..... If Madeleine was in that cot (maybe something had already happened?) where did the other twin sleep... or.. were the twins removed from the apartment and slept elsewhere while the 'issue' with Madeleine was being dealt with? <!-- div class="online2">  HiDeHo   Number of posts: 448 Warning:     Points: 890 Reputation: 90 Registration date: 2009-08-29   |
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Re：TUESDAY May 1st Timeline from Statements Date Posted：05/30/2010 2:59 AMCopy HTML Was it Kate that left the table Tuesday night before the quiz lady arrived, (which would have been a while before she sat at the table for 20 mins..) <!-- google_ad_section_end -->How long did the quiz last? Nine guests were there and yet ROB was apparently not there on quiz night and someone had left after eating dinner? I make that 7 people... Could Kate have been in the apartment after eating dinner and leaving? Was ROB there but left after eating his meal and before the quiz which is why he doesn't remember the quiz? Najoua Chekaya She remembers that last Tuesday at the end of the quiz, she was invited to the table of nine guests who asked her to join them for a drink. She was at their table for about fifteen to twenty minutes and it was there that she met Mdeleine’s father, who directly invited her to the table, however, she does not know whether Madeleine’s mother was also there. (...) When questioned, she said that during the time that she was there Madeleine’s father did not leave the table, neither did any of the other guests, however, during this time one of the chairs was always empty, that of someone who had had dinner and left, not managing to indicate any identifying element about this person. |
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