T9 Relationships

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Rank：Diamond Member Score：1787 Posts：1787 From：Canada Register：11/07/2008 1:17 AM	Date Posted：04/30/2010 11:49 PMCopy HTML DAVID PAYNE Reply " Scarlet will be two in May and L* will be four in August.” 1485 "And how long you been married?” Reply "We were married since two thousand and three.” 1485 "Two thousand and three?” Reply "Yes.” 1485 "Okay. Tell me about your social circle.” Reply "Okay, when we got married, we actually got married in Italy and the majority of friends of ours unfortunately, or fortunately, are in the medical profession, I think it’s the way it works with the hours and the nature of the job and exams etcetera, like you tend to socialise quite a lot with medical people. Obviously the, the group who went to Portugal, Russell, who I knew through, he was in my year at medical school, subsequently obviously I knew Jane through Russell. In terms of Kate and Gerry, we knew, Fiona had worked with Kate and that’s how I got to know Kate and Gerry, we have probably a, just a, not a tight band of friends but its generally the same people, so the people who went, a lot of people came our wedding in Italy, who we subsequently had perhaps been on holiday with but we still stay in touch with. And if we socialise with anyone then it tends to be the same, same groups of, same group of people, the majority of them medical, obviously apart from Jane and Rachael of course.” 00:05:31 1485 "Is everybody locally based?” Reply " I mean, obviously Kate and Gerry being in Leicestershire, Russell and Jane were in the Leicestershire region as well up until last year when they moved to Exeter. And then Matt and Rachael, they also were originally in Leicestershire and they’ve moved down working in London. Other friends we have, we have friends dotted around the country but those are the main.” 1485 "The main.” Reply "Yeah.” MO Russell was Rachael and mine Best Man and we’ve been good friends since we went to University together in Leicester and originally he went out with a girl in my year called Ann SMITH and then when I was looking for accommodation Ann mentioned that he had a space in his house, so there was two girls, Russell, Paul and myself and we made up the house and we sort of shared the rental at a house there and we’ve sort of been friends ever since and then, as I say, he was Best Man for Rachael and I when we got married in nineteen ninety-nine, and we stayed in contact pretty much since. We’ve been on hol, well we’ll probably come onto holiday and stuff later. But through Russell I know David, who was also at Leicester Medical School, and Fiona WEBSTER, who is also, Fiona PAYNE as she is now, it was also at Leicester Medical School and they were two years behind me, so they graduated in ninety-four and I graduated in ninety-two, they know Gerry and Kate or they knew them on a much sort of more friendly level than, than I did. So I knew Gerry because we worked together in, I think, two thousand and two, when we were at the Leicester General Hospital, so we knew each other on the, on call rota, so we’d be together at sort of medical meetings, but we didn’t sort of socialise more than sort of a quick chat at that point in time. And then we really got to know them when David and Fiona got married in two thousand and three, when we went, when they got, they were married in Italy and we, there was a big group of people that went out, all the group that were out in Portugal were there as well, and we shared an apartment with Gerry and Kate and Madeleine, she was about sort of four months old then, four months, it was around about September so she’d be about four or five months old then, and there were other people within the apartment, there was Stuart and Tara and, I think that was it, I think there was six adults and the children, and so we spent sort of a long weekend there for the wedding and so we got to know them a little bit at that point. But then we didn’t really have any other contact, apart from, hearing about them through David and Fiona and Russell and Jane, from them. And then the holiday came about because, independently we’d been on sort of various holidays and we’d sort of often talked about them, sort of being friends and we then went on a joint holiday to Greece the year before with David and Fiona, Russell and Jane, but not with the McCANNs, we’d been to Greece, and sort of spent a week on the beach there and then sort of thought about booking a holiday the next year and then Dave and Fiona, I think they’d already been on holiday with Gerry and Kate on another occasion, they wanted to involve them in the group and we ended up going for a MARK WARNER complex in Portugal. ROB We flew out from Gatwick airport having stayed the night with Matt and Rachael at their home which was near to the airport. The others flew out later the same day from East Midlands Airport. This was the first holiday that we had been on with the MC CANN family we had been away previously with the others in the group. We had been due to go away as couples to Majorca in 2005 but Jane had found out that she was pregnant days after we had booked the holiday, as far as I am aware our places had been given to another couple I believe by the name of Tara and Stuart GOLD. I'd describe our relationship with the couples as very good, I had met David PAYNE at Medical School in 1989 and we had stayed in Halls and Student Houses together, I met Fiona in 1993/1994 and was best-man at their wedding in 2003, we all went out to Tuscany in Italy for their Wedding. I recall that Matt and Rachael were there as were Gerry and Kate. I met Matt in my first year as a Doctor this was in around 1994, again I was close friends with him we lived in the same house, and I was best-man at their wedding in 1999. I have remained friends with Matt he moves around a lot and has worked in several places and countries. I would say that our relationship with Kate and Gerry MC CANN is not as close as with the other two couples, I first met Gerry when he was speaking at a conference in Atlanta in 1999, and I recall that we both had interest in the same aspects of cardiology. I recall that we exchanged emails with each other to discuss various aspects of our research. Gerry moved to the Glenfield hospital and worked in the same department as I did but I was based at the Leicester Royal Infirmary, at that time Gerry was my equivalent at Glenfield and a voice at the end of the phone- I'd say this was in 2001-2002. I'd say that we have known Kate and Gerry on a more personal level since 2002-2003 when both Kate and Jane were pregnant with Madeleine/E. At the beginning of their pregnancies they had been given a similar due date, although Madeleine was born about a month before (page 2) E**. Our friendship increased through Fiona and Dave, we would often see Kate and Gerry at their house on occasions. I recall that on one occasion Kate and Gerry visited us with Madeleine, I think that the girls must have been around 9months old as they were crawling. Other than that I don't recall them visiting us again, I know that we have been to their house for Madeleine's 1st and 2nd birthdays but I would say that we hadn't spent any considerable time at the MC CANN'S home. In relation to Kate HEALY/MC CANN I have only really met her since Madeleine was born, or through our meeting with Dave and Fiona. Dianne WEBSTER is Fiona's mother we obviously met her through Fiona and Dave PAYNE, we have been friends with them for some time meeting them at Fiona and Dave's house. We have been for trips out on their boat I'd say we know Dianne quite well. As far as I am aware there were no others due to go to Portugal, I think that Dave and Fiona had thought of asking others, but Jane and I thought that nine adults were enough. I recall that Dave and Fiona had mentioned another couple by the name of Dave and Fiona BURLING who live somewhere in Maidenhead but I am not entirely sure whether or not they were actually asked or invited. I am aware that Dianne was a late edition, but I am not sure when she was booked onto the holiday. In relation to there being any group hierarchy I'd say that that wasn't at all the case, Dave, Matt and I have all been close friends since Medical school and see each other as equals, I don't know Gerry quite as well but there is no problem with him fitting into the group. I am aware that Dave and Gerry know each other very well. MO But through Russell I know David, who was also at Leicester Medical School, and Fiona WEBSTER, who is also, erm, Fiona PAYNE as she is now, erm, it was also at Leicester Medical School and they were two years behind me, so they graduated in ninety-four and I graduated in ninety-two, they know Gerry and Kate or they knew them on a much sort of more friendly level than, than I did. Erm, so I knew Gerry because we worked together in, I think, two thousand and two, erm, when we were at the Leicester General Hospital, so we knew each other on the, erm, on call rota, so we’d be together at sort of medical meetings, erm, but we didn’t sort of socialise more than sort of a quick chat at that point in time. And then we really got to know them when David and Fiona got married in two thousand and three, when we went, when they got, they were married in Italy and we, erm, there was a big group of people that went out, erm, all the group that were out in Portugal were there as well, and we shared an apartment with Gerry and Kate and Madeleine, she was about sort of four months old then, four months, it was around about September so she’d be about four or five months old then, and there were other people within the apartment, there was Stuart and Tara and, I think that was it, I think there was six adults and the children, and so we spent sort of a long weekend there for the wedding and so we got to know them a little bit at that point. But then we didn’t really have any other contact, apart from, erm, hearing about them through David and Fiona and Russell and Jane, erm, from them. 00.06.45 4078 “In relation to Gerry and Kate then, just to clarify what you have said. You met them at David and Fiona’s wedding?” Reply “Yeah”. 4078 “In two thousand and three in Italy. And you stayed, you shared an apartment with them then. Have you met them socially between then and now very often?” Reply “No, no, we, erm, I know that some of the other groups would, but I think mainly because we were no longer Leicester based, because we left Leicester in two thousand and, end of two thousand and three beginning of two thousand and four, because I got a job down in Kingston because I came to the end of my training, and so we moved out, erm, from there. But in between the times that we were still at Leicester, two thousand and three would have been the wedding, so the end of two thousand and three, because I started at Kingston in February two thousand and four and we didn’t sort of socialise, I don’t think we met them at all after the wedding, before, erm, before we left to go down to London. But I know Russ and Jane and Dave and Fiona would have been to sort of the birthday parties, erm, but more because they were Leicester based really. And we weren’t, hadn’t become sort of that close from that small visit in Italy”. 4078 “So the first time you had seen them or had anything to do with them really again was this holiday last May?” Reply “Yeah, I mean, we knew about them because Fiona, Dave and Fiona were sort of close friends with them and I think Fiona and Kate trained at some point (inaudible) training or knew each other in that way, so we’d hear about them, but it was, erm, Gerry and Kate and then Dave and Fi at this end and then Russ and Jane sort of sort of thing, it was like that”. MO 00.47.07 4078 “As you got to know Gerry and Kate how did you find them?” Reply “Yeah, they’re, erm, I mean, they’re very similar sort of people. I mean, they were absolute, they absolutely loved their kids and there’s no question to any of us that they had anything to do with this. Erm, they were appropriate, friendly, they had the same, I mean, we’re all medics, so you’ve got that in common anyway. Erm, but, yeah, I mean, you see them on the cameras on TV and they’re all sort of, they are all sort of very, very sort of focussed, very, you know, sort of (inaudible) but they know what they want and they can explain it, they are articulate. I mean, he’s a, sort of an academic sort of medic, so, you know, it’s sort of a competitive field where you compete for grants and staff and all that sort of thing, so you need to know what you’re doing, you need to be sort of fairly on the ball and that’s just how he is, I mean, it’s just, if he’s got a project, he’s sort of very focussed and sort of fairly, fairly driven. Erm, but, absolutely, sort of great parents. I mean, most of my memory from Italy is of sort of, you know, I think, I think Madeleine may have had quite a bit of attention when she was younger. She was mostly in and out of sort of the apartment, didn’t see much of her there. I saw more of Gerry when we were playing sort of football and things. But, yeah, you know, just a normal. I mean, he’d done quite a lot of sports, erm, on a Wednesday night particularly and when we went to the bar after we spent a lot of time talking about sort of, you know, could it have been slightly different could I have been a professional footballer, you know, this is how, I enjoyed it and how far I got and we talked about sort of what I’d done and there was quite a lot in common, erm, in common with that. Erm, Kate sort of initially was much sort of quieter but when you sort of talked to her she’s, erm, sort of just friendly and sort of warm and just a normal person”. 4078 “And how would you describe Madeleine?” Reply “Erm, yeah, sweet, lovely, you know, sort of very sort of outgoing and, erm, you know, enthusiastic, bounds of energy, sort of memories of her as they’re running round the bits when we sort of chased her, it was always ‘I want more. I want more. Be a monster. Be a monster’ and running round, yeah”. 00.49.15 4078 “Sad memories for you all, or mixed memories probably, I should imagine, bitter sweet?” Reply “Yeah, erm”. 4078 “And you said the Wednesday you stayed later and you went for a drink after the meal at the Tapas?” Reply “Yeah, we might have had one, erm, so about sort of half an hour or so later that we went back. But the reason, now we mention it, but I think that was on the Thursday, when we went to the table, I didn’t sit next to Gerry, because we had this conversation, he said, you know, he’d bored the pants off me yesterday when we were talking about his sports (inaudible)”. 4078 “Right”. Reply “I don’t know why I brought that up, I don’t know, it seemed to be sort of part of my thought”. 1FP 485 “And question number one is, how long have you known Gerald and Kate HEALY and what kind of a relationship is there between you and the McCANNs?” Reply “Erm, I first met Kate, erm, at work, erm, we both, she was an Anaesthetic Registrar at Leicester General and I just started work there, it was towards, I think it was December two thousand, erm, and we’d often be on-call together, her covering the Intensive Care Unit and me covering Theatre, so we’d often, erm, you know, be there sort of late in the evening in the coffee room just sort of chatting, that’s how we sort of first got to know each other and very quickly became good friends, we’ve got a lot in common. And I met Gerry, I think the first time actually at work, when I was on-call at Glenfield, where he works, again in the coffee room, huh, not suggesting we sit and drink coffee all the time, but, erm, I first met him there. And then, subsequently, you know, I think they stayed over at our house for, for a night out, a sort of medical night out, and, erm, they met Dave, that was the first time they met Dave, and it’s just gone on from there really. So we’ve, we’ve always got on really well, I think, erm, all got a lot in common, Gerry and Dave into their sports as were me and Kate, they’re very laid back, very easy going people and, you know, really good company. Erm, we’ve been on holiday numerous times with them. Before we had children we went to Lanzarote for a week to one of these sports, erm, sports centres, erm, that was when she was pregnant with Madeleine. Erm, and, yeah, we’ve met up regularly. Erm, you know, we’ve had a really, as I say, a very, very strong friendship with them”. 00.28.39 1485 “What about your wedding, was it your wedding in Italy?” Reply “Yeah, yeah”. 1485 “They came to your wedding?” Reply “Yeah, they did, Madeleine was only three months old”. 1485 “What year was that?” Reply “Two thousand and three, erm, September”. 1485 “How was that holiday?” Reply “Fantastic. They’d gone out a bit before, erm, we got married at this sort of Castle and it had accommodation attached and they’d booked a whole sort of week there, so they were there for a few days before, running up. And they were great, you know. Madeleine had not been an easy baby by any stretch, but, I mean, Kate relished every minute of it, despite the fact Madeleine was a baby who would not be put down, you know, without yelling. And, you know, you’d often go and visit her in the afternoon and she’d be there jigging in front of MTV with Madeleine, which she’d been doing all day, you know, still with a smile on her face and, erm, that, that was Kate, you know. Erm, but I think they saw our wedding in Italy as a bit of a turnaround, because Madeleine, they had a good week, Madeleine sort of started sleeping and things”. 1485 “Yeah”. Reply “And, erm, they were just very relaxed, very, you know, very happy to be there”. 1485 “And how did you find Gerry on that holiday?” Reply “The same as every really, yeah, the same as ever. Again, they just chilled out and enjoyed being there”. 1485 “Because you have painted the picture, haven’t you, of Kate being quite”. Reply “Umm, I guess because Kate’s my main, my main friend”. 00.30.00 1485 “Yeah”. Reply “But Gerry is so, I mean, his personality is just positive, positive, positive, I’ve never seem him, you know, bar May the third, almost down about anything and even then he’s remarkable in my, you know, in my eyes, because he is so positive. Erm, you know, he’s got a lot of energy and he’s very much hands-on and always has been with all the children and he’s just, you know, he’s a fun dad, as soon as he’s in the door, he’s up for doing it all, you know, he’d be up in the night and changing their nappies, he’s very hands-on and very brilliant with Madeleine and the twins, he was a father. You know, they’ve always been an incredible team. I mean, you imagine, I know other people that have had twins, you know, but to imagine they had a small toddler and twins, you know, I can imagine myself being completely phased by that, but, again, you never saw them complaining about lack of sleep or anything, they were always positive, out there doing stuff and just getting on with it and enjoying it and they’ve never given any other impression otherwise between them, ever”. JANE TNNER Reply "Yeah well we’re very good friends with David and Fiona, and Matt and Rachael, and it was really down to Fiona that decided that, first of all decided to go on holiday. We’d been on holiday with those two couples before and we’d just moved down to Exeter so we foresaw it as a good chance to keep in touch with friends, friends in Leicester really. So David and Fiona came up with the idea of going to Portugal on a Mark Warner holiday I think most of us had been on a Mark Warner holiday before so that was just sort of a nice idea to go and then we just thought Portugal, I think we’ve been to ones in Greece before so we thought Portugal would be somewhere, somewhere different for a holiday.”
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：1787 Posts：1787 From：Canada Register：11/07/2008 1:17 AM	Re：T9 Relationships Date Posted：05/01/2010 12:30 AMCopy HTML 01:36:17 Reply "It’s (inaudible), the Leicester Royal Infirmary, maybe rather than, it just reads a bit funny to me, ‘at that time Gerry was my equivalent’ it maybe just says ‘at that time Gerry was my equivalent at Glenfield.’ 4064 "Okay.” Reply "(Inaudible) you know, I’m his boss.” 4064 "Hmm.” Reply "The second page apart from that seems fine.” 4064 "Okay.”