Steve Kingston BBC news from Lisbon

Laffin Assasin · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:26 pm

Claiming that Police sources have been telling the BBC that the case will be shelved ??

Skeptical · **Joined:** Sat May 17, 2008 5:32 pm **Posts:** 355

Laffin Assasin wrote:

Claiming that Police sources have been telling the BBC that the case will be shelved ??

The BBC ???
LOL LOL LOL
Jackasses.

Pogacsa · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 144

Steve Kingston is a perfectly decent bloke and if he says police sources have told him this, it is very likely true.

Police sources also informed various Portuguese papers and TV stations that it would be shelved yesterday.

What is interesting is that the Attorney General responded publicly issuing a denial.

So why are police sources saying this? And is its occurrence just hours after Amaral retired from the PJ, a coincidence or some sort of marketing ploy?

Skeptical · **Joined:** Sat May 17, 2008 5:32 pm **Posts:** 355

Pogacsa wrote:

Steve Kingston is a perfectly decent bloke and if he says police sources have told him this, it is very likely true.

Police sources also informed various Portuguese papers and TV stations that it would be shelved yesterday.

What is interesting is that the Attorney General responded publicly issuing a denial.

So why are police sources saying this? And is its occurrence just hours after Amaral retired from the PJ, a coincidence or some sort of marketing ploy?

I take it that he did not name these sources.
Plural too from what he says.
Did he have a heart to heart chat with all these personnel ?

Token · **Joined:** Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:04 pm **Posts:** 113

Skeptical wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

Claiming that Police sources have been telling the BBC that the case will be shelved ??

The BBC ???
LOL LOL LOL
Jackasses.

Lets think about if for one second. The PJ hand over the files and every paper in Portugal, every source in England say the case will be shelved. Im not sure what is true or not but people must at least acknowledge the fact that the case may be shelved.

fedrules · **Joined:** Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:51 pm **Posts:** 2922

Pogacsa wrote:

Steve Kingston is a perfectly decent bloke and if he says police sources have told him this, it is very likely true.

Police sources also informed various Portuguese papers and TV stations that it would be shelved yesterday.

What is interesting is that the Attorney General responded publicly issuing a denial.

So why are police sources saying this? And is its occurrence just hours after Amaral retired from the PJ, a coincidence or some sort of marketing ploy?

'

I have no doubt this is true.So are the McCanns really the innocent victims of an incompetent investigation or are they 'getting away with it'?

kcr1 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:14 pm **Posts:** 1044

imo they are getting away with it ( sadly )

Pogacsa · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 144

It seems very unlikely that police sources AREN'T telling media organisations the case will be shelved. I don't see any convincing argument that the Portuguese papers are copying each other.

But the denial by the Attorney General is significant, in my view. I don't think he made a public statement because he is piqued that the press got the story first. I don't know the truth - perhaps the McCann clan have bribed someone, although I'm more inclined to believe this is the work of Amaral.

But if police sources have told Steve Kingston this, I think it would be wrong of him NOT to say so in a report, quite frankly.

Majic · **Joined:** Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:18 pm **Posts:** 699

kcr1 wrote:

imo they are getting away with it ( sadly )

They are indeed. So the apparent rumour that started this morning appears to be true, which then begs the question, the second qoute that revered the first, where is that supposed to have come from ?

Confusing isn't it

bonnybraes1 · **Joined:** Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm **Posts:** 4490

Token wrote:

Skeptical wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

Claiming that Police sources have been telling the BBC that the case will be shelved ??

The BBC ???
LOL LOL LOL
Jackasses.

Lets think about if for one second. The PJ hand over the files and every paper in Portugal, every source in England say the case will be shelved. Im not sure what is true or not but people must at least acknowledge the fact that the case may be shelved.

I also acknowledge the fact that there be be such a person as the Tooth Fairy.

fedrules · **Joined:** Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:51 pm **Posts:** 2922

So are the rumours about DNA such as those given out by the police not true at all?It's all been tabloid invention?If true,then it really is the case that the press have behaved disgracefully.Is the BBC correct though to suggest shelving the case will automatically lead to the McCanns' 'arguido' status being lifted?

cushty · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:58 pm

my own take on all this, for what it's worth, is that the case is going to be shelved, but the secrecy will remain

how can it be dropped when M's body might turn up at any time? it doesn't make any kind of sense

I think the McCanns are trying to get hold of the police files - and I'm sure it is the PJ stuff they want, and not sny original Leicestershire material - via the British courts because they know they are not going to see what is in them in the normal course of events

the Prosecutor is not going to charge anyone, but is going to slap a long secrecy order on the dossier IMO

Beattie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:29 am **Posts:** 113

I think the fact that two Portugese Papers published, these considered "respectable", was
perhaps a " leak" to retaliate against the McCanns for trying to yet again interfere with due
process by going to the High Court. It should be enough that the Attorney General has denied
that the case is to be closed . If you saw CM"s interview with the BBC at 1pm today, he really
is angry. He kept on about the files being released so Metodo 3 can investigate the "thousands" of sightings etc that the PJ have not investigated, the McCanns have suffered enough, their arguido status should be lifted immediately etc. I think this was more spin for the benefit of the High Court meeting on Monday and can"t see the PJ closing the
case at this late hour. If it is shelved the Public will have access to all the info and maybe
there will be a restraining order placed on the Judiciary on the grounds that the McCanns
are still "searching" for Madeleine, maybe that"s the ploy.

Oh what a tangled Web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
;-)

somthinfishie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:03 pm

Didn`t Amaral mention DNA and stand alone evidence,Panorama I think.I`m sureit came from the horses mouth that they were looking for a dead Madeleine,it wasn`t a source.

Skeptical · **Joined:** Sat May 17, 2008 5:32 pm **Posts:** 355

Pogacsa wrote:

It seems very unlikely that police sources AREN'T telling media organisations the case will be shelved. I don't see any convincing argument that the Portuguese papers are copying each other.

But the denial by the Attorney General is significant, in my view. I don't think he made a public statement because he is piqued that the press got the story first. I don't know the truth - perhaps the McCann clan have bribed someone, although I'm more inclined to believe this is the work of Amaral.

But if police sources have told Steve Kingston this, I think it would be wrong of him NOT to say so in a report, quite frankly.

Let's face it.
The UK Media have dishonoured themselves totally with regard to this case.
And the BBC have been prominent in this dishonour.
If Kingston is confident and quotes "sources in the Police", let him name one, at least.

Tripz · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:13 pm

somthinfishie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:17 pm

Tripz wrote:

maebee · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:20 pm

Portuguese lawyer just been on BBC News saying that he expects the case to be closed and if it is, the Mcs will be released from their arguido status ?????

I didn't hear the full interview? Anybody else catch it?

Finmental · **Joined:** Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:35 am **Posts:** 1075

could the McCann have already been informed that they are going to have the Arguido status lifted, and is this why they are going to the High Court. For Madeleines welfare the files have to be kept secret...I think this is where the desperation is, they want to keep it all secret forever. I mean it was written in the Times a couple of weeks ago that the prosecutor said all files would be freeviewing in July, for the lawyers, the McCanns, the press and the PUBLIC! This must be their biggest nightmare.

Finmental · **Joined:** Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:35 am **Posts:** 1075

cushty wrote:

my own take on all this, for what it's worth, is that the case is going to be shelved, but the secrecy will remain

how can it be dropped when M's body might turn up at any time? it doesn't make any kind of sense

I think the McCanns are trying to get hold of the police files - and I'm sure it is the PJ stuff they want, and not sny original Leicestershire material - via the British courts because they know they are not going to see what is in them in the normal course of events

the Prosecutor is not going to charge anyone, but is going to slap a long secrecy order on the dossier IMO

but this would suit the McCanns perfectly or not? they would be winners all the way, the perfect crime.

Groom1 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:47 pm **Posts:** 693

fedrules wrote:

Pogacsa wrote:

Steve Kingston is a perfectly decent bloke and if he says police sources have told him this, it is very likely true.

Police sources also informed various Portuguese papers and TV stations that it would be shelved yesterday.

What is interesting is that the Attorney General responded publicly issuing a denial.

So why are police sources saying this? And is its occurrence just hours after Amaral retired from the PJ, a coincidence or some sort of marketing ploy?

'

I have no doubt this is true.So are the McCanns really the innocent victims of an incompetent investigation or are they 'getting away with it'?

I believe they are "getting away with it". But they will have this case hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives.

Unfortunately, Eddie's =D>

evidence doesn't stand alone. Because of the McClean-up, the samples found were too small to extract enough DNA from. I'll just bet they sha*t a brick when they realised that their shampooing of the wheelwell mat (and the apartment) wasn't quite thorough enough!

The anomalies and contradictions in their statements are also circumstantial - and not enough for a prosecution.

I think the Portuguese should press ahead with abandonment and neglect charges though.

somthinfishie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:27 pm

Groom1 wrote:

fedrules wrote:

Pogacsa wrote:

Steve Kingston is a perfectly decent bloke and if he says police sources have told him this, it is very likely true.

Police sources also informed various Portuguese papers and TV stations that it would be shelved yesterday.

What is interesting is that the Attorney General responded publicly issuing a denial.

So why are police sources saying this? And is its occurrence just hours after Amaral retired from the PJ, a coincidence or some sort of marketing ploy?

'

I have no doubt this is true.So are the McCanns really the innocent victims of an incompetent investigation or are they 'getting away with it'?

I believe they are "getting away with it". But they will have this case hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives.

Unfortunately, Eddie's =D>

evidence doesn't stand alone. Because of the McClean-up, the samples found were too small to extract enough DNA from. I'll just bet they sha*t a brick when they realised that their shampooing of the wheelwell mat (and the apartment) wasn't quite thorough enough!

The anomalies and contradictions in their statements are also circumstantial - and not enough for a prosecution.

I think the Portuguese should press ahead with abandonment and neglect charges though.[/quote]

=D>

Seconded.

Skeptical · **Joined:** Sat May 17, 2008 5:32 pm **Posts:** 355

Finmental wrote:

could the McCann have already been informed that they are going to have the Arguido status lifted, and is this why they are going to the High Court. For Madeleines welfare the files have to be kept secret...I think this is where the desperation is, they want to keep it all secret forever. I mean it was written in the Times a couple of weeks ago that the prosecutor said all files would be freeviewing in July, for the lawyers, the McCanns, the press and the PUBLIC! This must be their biggest nightmare.

The fact that Leicestershire Police are apparently contesting their application to the Court rather persuades me to think otherwise.

MiceAnMen · **Joined:** Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:00 pm **Posts:** 466

Skeptical wrote:

Pogacsa wrote:

It seems very unlikely that police sources AREN'T telling media organisations the case will be shelved. I don't see any convincing argument that the Portuguese papers are copying each other.

But the denial by the Attorney General is significant, in my view. I don't think he made a public statement because he is piqued that the press got the story first. I don't know the truth - perhaps the McCann clan have bribed someone, although I'm more inclined to believe this is the work of Amaral.

But if police sources have told Steve Kingston this, I think it would be wrong of him NOT to say so in a report, quite frankly.

Let's face it.
The UK Media have dishonoured themselves totally with regard to this case.
And the BBC have been prominent in this dishonour.
If Kingston is confident and quotes "sources in the Police", let him name one, at least.

Is this the same Kingston who quoted from 'Police sources' that M had died of a broken neck ?

I wonder how he squares these two pieces of information?

fedrules · **Joined:** Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:51 pm **Posts:** 2922

Finmental wrote:

could the McCann have already been informed that they are going to have the Arguido status lifted, and is this why they are going to the High Court. For Madeleines welfare the files have to be kept secret...I think this is where the desperation is, they want to keep it all secret forever. I mean it was written in the Times a couple of weeks ago that the prosecutor said all files would be freeviewing in July, for the lawyers, the McCanns, the press and the PUBLIC! This must be their biggest nightmare.

'

Depends how much evidence there really is.

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