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NVC analysis of McCann sedative interview

Sedative Interview

Interviewer question

“On that evening did you give to your kids something like calpol to help them sleep?”

 

Gerry McCann -

“(swallow, els&dr)(Intake of breath) you know we’re not gonna (head back) comment, on anything (ec) but you know there is absolutely (head back). No way we use any sedative drugs (head down, ec, head shake, scratch behind l earlobe, looks back at I, slight smile) or anything like that en (ldr, rhb) you know we’ll we have (ldr) co-operated with the police (ldr) we’ll answer any queries ermm (ldr)…any tests that they want to do en.”

 

First cluster – Swallow, eyes look sideways & down right, intake of breath

Firstly, the Adam’s apple is emotionally responsive (i.e. it reflects visceral or gut feelings). Acting through the vagus nerve (cranial X) emotional tension from the brain’s limbic system causes unconscious muscular contractions of the sternothyroid, thyrohyoid and associated inferior pharyngeal constrictor muscles of the Adam’s apple. This movement is evident as the muscles contract to swallow, to throat-clear or to vocalize an objection that may be left unsaid. This swallowing movement indicates feelings of anxiety or embarrassment.

I find it hard to imagine why Gerry would become anxious or embarrassed by this question (angry, hurt, yes), unless of course these feeling were stimulated at the prospect of having to lie in which case it would indicate that either he, or someone else, had given the children calpol or other sedatives to help them sleep on that night.

Secondly, eye movements are largely controlled by the midbrains Oculomotor, Trochlear and Abducens nerves (cranial III, IV & VI). According to neurological research, eye movement both laterally and vertically seems to be associated with activating different parts of the brain. Generally, when eyes look right it is indicative of the brain working at constructing, up right eye movements indicate construction of visual images, sideways right eye movements indicates construction of audio. When eyes look left it is indicative of the brain recalling or accessing memory. Up left eye movements, indicate recalling of visual images, sideways left eye movements indicate recalling of audio. When eyes look down left it indicates internal dialogue and down right indicates that a person is thinking about the question as they recall smell, feelings or taste.

In the video clip, we see Gerry look sideways right and down right. He looks sideways right first. This indicates that he might be constructing something auditory. This might include for example constructing what he will say or could say to the question., or he may be assembling the question in his mind due to the fact that he has not heard it before. We also see this movement directly followed by a right down eye movement. This motion indicates that Gerry is thinking about the question and his feelings. I am uncertain as to whether officials, or anyone else to that matter, had asked Gerry about the use of sedatives before this interview took place; hence, suggestions of Gerry constructing a lie must be posited with caution.

Still, the answer to the question should be easy, either a yes or no. Moreover, when taking into account the media coverage of the sedative use issue I would think that the answer should be well known to Gerry McCann, surely someone must have alerted him to the “ludicrous” suggestions being made in the media!; thus, the answer should be in his near term memory, this would not require him to search for an answer (in this case eye movements would be barely be visible).

Thirdly, the intake of breath that we hear Gerry making may be nothing more than pre-speech in-breath. Interestingly though, the pre-speech in-breath is often used by an array of professionals to add an air of authority and credibility to the qualifying subsequent spoken words. It is also a typical expression of ordinary conscious anxiety and tensions reflected in other kinesic behaviours including the aforesaid.

From this cluster I think it would be fair to say that the question “On that evening did you give to your kids something like calpol to help them sleep?” aroused emotion, albeit anxiety, embarrassment or stress, or a combination of the three. If Gerry did not administer calpol or sedatives to the children that evening (or knows with certainty that no one else had) then I see no reason for the arousal of emotions witnessed.

Second Cluster- Head down, eyes closed, head shake, scratch left ear lobe, looks back at Interviewer but does not raise head, slight smile, look down right, left hand brush away from body.
Observed during “No way we use any sedative drugs”
  
The head down motion is an automatic escape movement designed to remove a body part or parts from danger. It underlies many negative and submissive nonverbal signs (e.g., feelings of guilt or shame or cues of fear or submissiveness). It is suggested that bending motions of the head (and trunk) are neurologically “simple” as NVC signs. As they are unaffected, unintended, and unconscious; thus, they are among the most reliable indicators of mood. Gerry’s eyes also gaze down in conjunction with the head down motion. Gaze-down often reflects guilt, shame, submissiveness or deception. These feelings pass from the limbic system and basal ganglia to the midbrain’s oculomotor (cranial III) and other cranial nerves. Acting in concert, the eye muscles pull together in a downward or sideward eye movement, depending on the mood.
Gerry’s words “No way we use any sedative drugs” appear to arouse feelings of guilt, shame and/or deception. (Note – I rule submissiveness out firstly, as Gerry’s baseline demeanour does not suggest that he is submissive; secondly, as a result of my findings in the first cluster; thirdly, he hardly submits to answering the question does he?) If he is feeling guilty or shameful then the question “what about?” must be asked. If he is telling the truth, then he has no reason to feel ashamed or guilty; the answer is simple, he is lying. However, how big is the lie? Look at the question again, “On that evening did you give to your kids something like calpol to help them sleep?” We should note that he does not anywhere in his answer state that they did not give the children sedative drugs that night, nor does he deny the use of calpol. In fact, what he says is “there is absolutely no way we use any sedative drugs or anything like that”!
Gerry also closes his eyes when he uses the head and eye down motion. When this cue is used during or shortly after a verbal denial, it usually shows that the speaker does not believe his or her own remarks. As true statements are normally given with a confident, face to face or level gaze, which might be held for longer than three seconds. In addition, Gerry also shakes his head in conjunction with the aforementioned NVC signs. Interestingly, the headshake is associated with cognitive dissonance and this is where feelings of uncomfortable tension arise because of holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time. It should be noted that dissonance is often strong when we believe something about ourselves and then do something against that belief. The headshake is also linked to uncertainty and is gut reactive; thus, this motion originates from the limbic system, which stimulates the special visceral accessory nerve (cranial XL).

The scratching of the ear lobe is a self-touch cue aimed at relieving stress and/or providing comfort. It reflects arousal of the SNS’s flight or fight response. Ear lobe (and nose) scratching results from blood vessel engorgement whilst in this state; thus, this cue is indicative of increased anxiety and may signal deception, disagreement, fear or uncertainty.

We also see Gerry glance back at the interviewer without raising his head; this method is often used in the act of deception to gauge the response of those being addressed. (I.e. it is used to see if the listener is swallowing the lie.)

Gerry also appears to produce a slight smirk, almost a look of amusement. In NVC, smirking is a sign of contempt for the gullibility of the person(s) who are being duped. Smirking is also indicative of someone having something further to share. For example, when Susan Smith stated that wherever her children were she hoped they were ok, she smirked then smiled…she knew where they were and what state they were in; she knew they were dead – she had something further to share.

Gerry raises his left hand and makes a tight brush away motion from the body at neck height. What is interesting is that this motion signifies the brushing away or dismissing of a subject or the spoken words in the event of deception. Furthermore, the tighter the hand or arm movement is to the body the more indicative it is of deception. It should be also be noted that we do not ordinarily make conscious choices about the hand or arm gestures as we are usually too busy talking to notice or care.

This cluster is certainly indicative of deception as Gerry exhibits a combination of deceptive signals that are in agreement with each other: I cannot find one NVC signal that could cast significant doubt on this assertion.

My conclusion is that Gerry McCann  fails to answer the question, choosing instead to skirt around the question in a somewhat defensive manner: Gerry McCann is engaging in the act of deception.

Question

“On that evening did you give to your kids something like calpol to help them sleep?”

Truthful answer

“No I (we) did not” or “Yes I (we) did”

Note – when we are truthful about something we tend to be direct and confident in our spoken word, our NVC mirrors this.

Yet Gerry McCann answers

“You know we’re not gonna comment on anything but you know there is absolutely . No way we use any sedative drugs or anything like that en you know we’ll we have co-operated with the police we’ll answer any queries ermm …any tests that they want to do en…”

 

 I thought it might be interesting for readers to compare the above analysis with a LVA 6.50 analysis of the sedative interview. 

 

 

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Re:Sedatives

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Re:Sedatives

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Q: Is it true, as was reported in De Telegraaf, that an injection needle was found in the apartment?
 
A: No, that is not true. In fact we have found no medication at all. None at all. Except for 'likdoornpleisters' = litt.: corn plasters (for your feet - sorry can't find a better translation).
 
Q: Do you think the children were sedated?
 
A: There is no doubt.
(Here he told an anecdote: that Kate called a colleague of Gonçalo Amaral's in the PJ, in August, to ask them to check the twins for traces of sedation. Apparently Kate was alone when she called, and a bit upset. That same afternoon, Gerry called and cancelled the request.)
 
Q: What do you think is the meaning of the blood behind the sofa?
 
A: Possibly from an attempt at resuscitation.



Pilar Cambra: I have a question, because you state that the parents gave the girl a sedative, Calpol, because she had problems sleeping...

GA: Yes.

PC: ... of insomnia, and that this medication probably led to her death, and that from that point... or that it is possible that the girl, upon getting up from her bed under the effects of this medicine, could have sustained a heavy fall, which caused her death. You deduce as proof, that her siblings who were sleeping in the same room, even when the room was full people, did not wake up when the investigation began. My question is: how is it possible to state that the girl, Maddie, Madeleine, died as a consequence of consuming a sleeping solution and that she died from a blow, if the body has not been found?

GA: It is in the book and is in the indictment, which points to death by accident, it was accidental. Death because cadaver odour and human blood were found behind a sofa, that is why it is considered that an accident could have happened.

CLS: In other words, there was blood and cadaver odour.

GA: Exactly. This is what we had in October of last year when I left the investigation. Also, in addition to this, it was considered that the girl had a problem with falling asleep and with sleeping and whether the parents, like other parents in England were giving her Calpol to sleep. It is said that there is a Calpol generation in England, because the mother says that it is a medicine, paracetamol and there are experts who say that it is an antihistamine with sedative effects.

It is true that we did not find the body, but it is certain that those children were sleeping, it is true that they did not wake up during all that noise and it is also certain that the mother, according to a witness, Fiona Payne, held her hand under the twins' noses to see if they were breathing - what was going on there? She could have been worried about the fact that the children were still asleep.

CLS: Surely she was checking to see if the other two children were all-right?

GA: We do not state that it is due to the Calpol, because the body has not been found, but it is a hypothesis, a thesis that has to be worked on. What cannot happen in a criminal investigation, is that course of the investigation is cut off when we think about death, if there is the thought of death, it is not possible to continue to think about abduction, this is not possible. If we had continued with the investigation, we and other persons who came to this conclusion, surely would have been able to arrive at a point of inflection, and have looked at the thesis that the parents could have had some responsibility in this and concluded it was impossible, because now we have found this or that, but we needed to investigate the death.

CLS: Concerning the Calpol perhaps Dr Candela can tell us more.

Carmen Candela: Well, I think... really what struck me most, as I was saying to you earlier, is the lack of breaking down, in the statements, when the father and the mother had to give statements, this struck me... this is perhaps part of the structure of a certain personality, which will not give way to anything, or, in other words, the lack of breaking down by a mother with all the drama that these parents have had to experience...

CLS: The coldness...

CC: The coldness, or rather, the emotional detachment from what was happening to her as regards her daughter, that has made an impression on me, from the maternal point of view, or, in other words I think as a mother. It is true that I am a mother of six children, I am a doctor and I have given my children sleeping solutions, and I being a doctor and knowing how to administer sleeping medicine, the anxiety that Pilar was mentioning, of placing your hand to see whether the child was breathing or not, always stays with you. I remember when my children were babies, and they would sleep for two hours longer before waking up for their bottle and you would get full of anguish. In other words this hypothesis, for me, is very credible, very credible.



- That could have happened?

A – It is very complicated.

Q - Why?

A - Let us return to the people who passed in front of the apartment. Nobody saw anything strange. We investigated all the people who were involved in theft in the area. There were no unknown fingerprints in the apartment, of course they could have used gloves, that is true, but that could not be. In addition, the parents were the first to talk about death. And it is normal to think that their daughter could have died, but they have never admitted this in public. But I do not believe that the parents killed her.

Q - So, what are we talking about?

A - About an accident. The child could have fallen from a sofa, could have had an accident with Calpol (a sleeping pill (sic: solution)). We never had access to the girl's medical history, so we don't know whether she was healthy or not. We can only speculate. There are many very strange details.
 
Q - What do you think could have happened that night?

A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.

A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.

Note: Mr Amaral does NOT actually describe Calpol as a 'sleeping pill'. It is El Mundo who describe it as such: Firstly, in the headline teaser and secondly, in brackets to describe to Spanish readers what Calpol is, after Mr Amaral has simply mentioned it by name.




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