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Date Posted:04/25/2010 12:33 AMCopy HTML

Approaching this case from a different angle, by recognising the days/times and subjects that are 'sensitive' to the McCanns will give an indication about what was important to hide.

Trying to follow the statements with logic is helpful only to the timeline they want us to believe.

The reason I believe that Madeleine died prior to May 3rd is because there is so much confusion and many discrepancies in the earlier days that they had something to hide at that point.

This wasn't an ordinary holiday.

Madeleine (according to the dogs and the police files) died and the story is contained in the statements, not by believing the lies but by recognising the 'confused' areas of their statements are likely relative to them hiding the truth.

Normal memory issues are understandable, but when there is confusion and lack of memory for such an important occasion as Madeleine disappearing, there are instances that, in my opinion, are more non-committal than memory problems.

One example would be which night ROB stayed in the apartment.

Easy to forget after a normal holiday where every night was the same, but in this case he missed the quiz night.

That should be not only easily recognisable for ROB but also for Jane and the other to have not had ROB answering any questions.

This told me that there is a likelihood they were trying to hide something as early as Tuesday night.

Were they trying to hide something regarding Madeleine' death or were they trying to hide each of them taking turns looking after the children.

If Madeleine hadn't died, would they be telling us that Matt watched the children on Sunday night, ROB on Tuesday, Rachael on Wednesday?

They needed 'neglecting the children' to support the time opportunity for abduction, but, to acknowledge a specific person as responsible for watching them, would have meant they would have been targeted so the 'checking' system was used to keep the responsibility generic.

On the other hand...the confusion and discrepancies may have been to hide something far more sinister...

Madeleine's death.

If possible, I would like to put together a list of discrepancies, pre-emptive comments (eg Amelie crying on Tuesday night at midnight and Madeleine subsequently sleeping in their room that night was obviously to cover for the actual crying more than an hour earlier, that they were not positively aware had been heard as Mrs Fenn did not tell them) and any non-committal comments which may have been an effort of the truth but changing the day etc.

Once a list is compiled, I feel sure that a 'picture' will start to appear.....

When the discrepancies started and what they refer to will give us an idea of what they needed to hide.

Pre-emptive comments will let us know the specific occasions and subjects of which there was something 'questionable' that they needed to justify.

Non committal memory will give an idea of the important 'day' that they must try 'hide' to attempt to redirect focus away from what was really happening....or give credence to the day in question by adding information of other days activities.

eg
(from a statement, not sure who at the moment)

Sunday, Monday or Tuesday K & G and kids ate in Paynes apartment for lunch

The cleaner confirmed it was Sunday...(see below)

Was it so difficult to remember it was the first lunchtime visit or was it a convenient opportunity to allocate it to a different day...a day when something sinister was happening...a day that they cannot explain away and need to fill with mundane activities?


Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada Profession: Cleaner
She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day.
She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same king of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands, their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs. When asked, she does not remember whether the father pulled the door closed or locked it with a key.

After she chatted to her mother about there being many children in the apartments, she had the idea that the family in 5H were friends of Madeleine’s family who were staying in 5 A.




MO running with Kate - Monday or Tuesday ------ According to Kate's diary it was Wednesday and it was the day that Rachael was sick (Wednesday)

ROB not at Tapas Bar because sick child - Monday or Tuesday .- JT cannot remember ROB at Tapas - Monday or Tuesday ------ Easy to remember the quiz and the quiz mistress, should not have created confusion with a little thought

Fiona and others (she can't remember if K&G also) at beach in the evening - Monday or Tuesday

Rachael sick Tuesday or Wednesday....Easy to remember if she was at the quiz.

Kayaks Monday or Tuesday

Maddie's crying incident, Tuesday or Wednesday

Gerry clams: Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom, with KATE, as she had told him that one or both twins were crying, making much noise.

(Keep in mind this is from his statement from May 10th...Mrs Fenn did not tell them about the crying....so they were maybe pre-empting any possible witness statements, maybe attempting to confuse which day, not realising Mrs Fenns statement.)

August 10 2007 statement
She states that she never told the McCs that their daughter had cried on Tuesday, because she thought that would hurt them even more.

ROB using key to enter MO's apartment Sunday night...MO was supposedly sick and in the apartments at the time....

Lying is difficult, the truth is far easier to get correct!

I believe a list of these instances would highlight the picture of what REALLY happened and not the one they want us to believe....

I have always believed its what they DON'T tell us that is where we will find the truth.
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Re:Pre-emptive, Avoidance & Confusion Discrepancies

Date Posted:04/25/2010 12:36 AMCopy HTML






  • Everyone states that K&G did not go to the Millenium for breakfast after Sunday and yet, not only does Dianne Webster remember POSSIBLY seeing them, in Kates diary she wrote this...

Wednesday - 02.05.2007
Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning
RAIN
Kids club
Tennis → postponed wet courts
→ Millennium K and G - meet F, D and D
+ / - 11.30 Kate run with Matt
+ / - 40 min.
Get kids
Lunch - apartment, recreational area
Kids club
G Tennis 14.30-15.30
K 15.30-16.30 tennis? tennis lesson
? G Tennis lessons 16:30
Launching speed
? object tennis

High tea → recreational area

Rest. - No Rachael (5B)
Apartment next door
- Slightly later bedtime? 24.00
→ to bar after dinner







    • The window in Kate’s room was closed and she admits they used the blinds, because Gerry broke them and they were repaired on the Monday; the incident occurred on Sunday.(documents show it was Tuesday)
    More to the point...
    • WHY were the shutters an issue?

    • WHY did Kate need help with using the washing machine (did EVERYONE call maintenance before they could use it?)

    • If this was an innocent moment in the holiday could it have been the inspiration for bringing the shutters into the equation when they were trying to establish a credible story for the faked abduction?







    • She consciously tried to make it seem that it was the Sunday when it was actually Monday...a day they have trouble being truthful about?
    Monday 30.04.2007
    Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning
    Kids clubs:
    Tennis 09.15-10.15 K
    G 10.15-11.15
    *? washing machine / blinds
    Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave
    Kids club?? beach(NOTE: Kids club went to beach on Tuesday afternoon..trying to 'fill' Monday?)
    + / - 16.00 K run 25 min.
    16:30 Tennis lessons
    High tea
    18:30? tennis night for women
    Recreational area
    Afternoon: K and J Supermarket
    Rest. - everyone








      • WHY did Kate drop Madeleine off at the creche on Monday at 3.15pm...Someone? dropped the twins off at 3.25 and pick Madeleine up 5 minutes later at 3.30pm (no notation of the twins being picked up that afternoon) and yet NO reference to what they did that afternoon? Surely that day would have stood out and be worthy of a mention if Madeleine was with them all afternoon?

      ROB dropped E**a at 4.00pm and no notation of picking her up? ODD?







        • Was it a coincidence that Kate had phone activity just PRIOR to the time Mrs Fenn heard the crying. Was she (and the phone) at the tapas restaurant or more than likely in the apartment?

        http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm
        Kate phone activity May 1st:


        10.16.42 (After tennis or in apartment while maintenance fixing blinds or by pool with Rachael?)
        11.56.06
        12.17.21...Just before she picked up Twins from creche & GM picked Madeleine
        19.45.03


        20.31.31
        20.33.32
        20.35.58
        20.37.24


        22.16.15........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn
        22.23.15........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn
        22.23.28........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn
        22.24.22........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn
        22.25.36........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn
        22.27.50........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn


        Crying heard by Mrs Fenn from 22.30pm until 23.45pm







          • Kates diary for Thursday deserves a thread of its own...
          [Thursday 03.05.2007 - The day of the disappearance

          Breakfast - Apartment
          Comment Madeleine "Where were you (was I) when me and S cried?" WHY openly comment about this?
          Kids club, time - check registration What does this comment mean?
          09.00-09.30 → 12:30
          Sailing (beach) Madeleine was there for an hour
          Wash M top of pyjamas - big stain WHY comment about it...WHATS the reason? WHAT is it hiding?
          Lunch? apartment? tea
          ? get Madeleine
          Tennis lesson 09.15-10.15
          conversation on the grass w / Russell and Nigel (the video camera)
          [?] Minutes of tennis
          K
          J and Fiona (Scarlett) ?
          Then pick up S and A
          (? Meeting there with G)
          Breakfast - apartment -? balcony
          ? recreational area - ok
          Afternoon / Kids club - a bit later
          K Ella already there
          Swimming - indoors pool
          K and G - practice tennis then lesson and coach Dan
          15.30 - 16.30
          Julian appeared - continued to play with Gerry
          I went to run → beach
          (rest of the group on the beach)
          Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running.
          + / - 17.20-17.30
          [Strikethrough text illegible]
          M very tired and quiet
          Since Ella was taken from the KC → beach. I was a little worried that she was sad to have been alone. (Not realised that the group had gone to the beach.)
          She said she was fine.
          She asked me to pick her up and said she was tired.
          I picked her up and carried her to the apartment with G and S and A
          Prepared bath as kids tired and men's tennis night at 18.00.
          I considered returning to the recreation area with the kids but decided to stay in the apartment after bath and hair wash.

          G men's tennis night
          B pyjamas
          Biscuits and milk for the kids - left them with this and books and games and went to take a quick bath / wash my hair.
          I got out of the bath and David was knocking on the patio doors.
          I wrapped myself in a towel and went into the living room.
          He asked if we wanted to go to the recreational area, since he could help me take the kids.
          Refused - since kids ready for bed.
          I dressed myself.
          Ate some snacks with the kids
          M tired - sitting on my lap - read story of MOG
          Brush teeth
          To bedroom with kids
          G there too - I think.
          [Children's music] - M telling story
          M removes and lowers head on pillow

          S + A good-night kisses for M
          From S and A → cots x2
          K gave a good-night kiss to M
          Leaned the door as much as possible without closing it.
          Silence
          ? dry hair
          Make-up
          Glass of wine
          20:35 → rest. First to arrive
          21:00 → G, Conversation with Steve
          21:30 → Matt, Carolyn (Note: Carolyn is a witness who says she heard someone calling Madeleine's name, around 21:30, as she walked back to her apartment)
          22:00 → Myself, 20:40 Jane next
          20:45 Matt and Rachael
          Russell?
          Detained
          Evie feeling sick
          R went for a long time
          Jane replaced him


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            Re:Pre-emptive, Avoidance & Confusion Discrepancies

            Date Posted:04/25/2010 12:38 AMCopy HTML

            Three years later its worth revisiting the diary to see what she WANTED us to believe....

            Does anyone know the approximate date that Kate 'created' this curiosity?

            Thanks to......
            http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

            The Diary
            Duarte Levy Wordpress (Portuguese)
            http://duartelevypt.wordpress.com/o-caso-maddie/o-diario-de-kate-mccann/
            By Duarte Levy
            04 May 2009
            Translated by Nigel Moore, with thanks to Astro

            Kate's "Diary" is one of the most curious pieces of a puzzle that the men of the Policia Judiciária tried to reconstruct in order to establish the facts surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine. The report of the first days spent in Praia da Luz was written after the event and reports a kind of "agenda" detailing what the McCanns and their friends allegedly did.

            Two years later, day by day, it is interesting to compare Kate's report with what is known in the process. An exercise that reveals contradictions and surprises in its content.

            Sat. 28.04.2007
            Arrival O.C. 15:00
            Apartment 5A
            Pool
            Swim with M
            Meeting with M.W. officials and have a drink
            Rest. Millennium with kids (only night) (Note: 'Rest.' = Restaurant)
            Return walk - difficult for kids
            Bed Bath →
            Bed early

            Sun 29.04.2007
            Breakfast Millennium Restaurant
            ? pruning of hedge
            Morning Kids Club
            10:00 morning talking over coffee, I went along to tennis
            Lunch sandwiches →
            → F balcony and Dave
            Kids Club afternoon
            Seated in deck-chairs F A A
            K and G run - Beach 16:00
            High tea
            Recreational area
            Rest.: No Matt

            Monday 30.04.2007
            Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning
            Kids clubs:
            Tennis 09.15-10.15 K
            G 10.15-11.15
            *? washing machine / blinds
            Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave
            Kids club?? beach
            + / - 16.00 K run 25 min.
            16:30 Tennis lessons
            High tea
            18:30? tennis night for women
            Recreational area
            Afternoon: K and J Supermarket
            Rest. - everyone

            Tuesday 01.05.2007 (holiday)
            Breakfast apartment
            Kids club - mini-tennis ↓
            09.15-10.15 K ↓
            G 10.15-11.15 ↓
            Madeleine and Ella
            * Get camera
            Lunch → apartment
            RAIN
            Kids club beach, sunglasses
            Ice cream
            13:30 → 15:00 ish
            Kids club? 15.15
            ? time not so good
            ? G tennis lessons - ok
            High tea 16:30
            ? recreational area
            Restaurant? object tennis
            No Russell, Evie felt ill
            (5D) Russ remained in apartment
            Food was brought up

            Wednesday - 02.05.2007
            Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning
            RAIN
            Kids club
            Tennis → postponed wet courts
            → Millennium K and G - meet F, D and D
            + / - 11.30 Kate run with Matt
            + / - 40 min.
            Get kids
            Lunch - apartment, recreational area
            Kids club
            G Tennis 14.30-15.30
            K 15.30-16.30 tennis? tennis lesson
            ? G Tennis lessons 16:30
            Launching speed
            ? object tennis

            High tea → recreational area

            Rest. - No Rachael (5B)
            Apartment next door
            - Slightly later bedtime? 24.00
            → to bar after dinner

            Thursday 03.05.2007 - The day of the disappearance
            Breakfast - Apartment
            Comment Madeleine "Where were you (was I) when me and S cried?"
            Kids club, time - check registration
            09.00-09.30 → 12:30
            Sailing (beach)
            Wash M top of pyjamas - big stain
            Lunch? apartment? tea
            Tennis lesson 09.15-10.15
            conversation on the grass w / Russell and Nigel (the video camera)
            [?] Minutes of tennis
            K
            ? get Madeleine
            J and Fiona (Scarlett)
            Then pick up S and A
            (? Meeting there with G)
            Breakfast - apartment -? balcony
            ? recreational area - ok
            Afternoon / Kids club - a bit later
            K Ella already there
            Swimming - indoors pool
            K and G - practice tennis then lesson and coach Dan
            15.30 - 16.30
            Julian appeared - continued to play with Gerry
            I went to run → beach
            (rest of the group on the beach)
            Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running.
            + / - 17.20-17.30
            [Strikethrough text illegible]
            M very tired and quiet
            Since Ella was taken from the KC → beach. I was a little worried that she was sad to have been alone. (Not realised that the group had gone to the beach.)
            She said she was fine.
            She asked me to pick her up and said she was tired.
            I picked her up and carried her to the apartment with G and S and A
            Prepared bath as kids tired and men's tennis night at 18.00.
            I considered returning to the recreation area with the kids but decided to stay in the apartment after bath and hair wash.

            G men's tennis night
            B pyjamas
            Biscuits and milk for the kids - left them with this and books and games and went to take a quick bath / wash my hair.
            I got out of the bath and David was knocking on the patio doors.
            I wrapped myself in a towel and went into the living room.
            He asked if we wanted to go to the recreational area, since he could help me take the kids.
            Refused - since kids ready for bed.
            I dressed myself.
            Ate some snacks with the kids
            M tired - sitting on my lap - read story of MOG
            Brush teeth
            To bedroom with kids
            G there too - I think.
            [Children's music] - M telling story
            M removes and lowers head on pillow

            S + A good-night kisses for M
            From S and A → cots x2
            K gave a good-night kiss to M
            Leaned the door as much as possible without closing it.
            Silence
            ? dry hair
            Make-up
            Glass of wine
            20:35 → rest. First to arrive
            21:00 → G, Conversation with Steve
            21:30 → Matt, Carolyn (Note: Carolyn is a witness who says she heard someone calling Madeleine's name, around 21:30, as she walked back to her apartment)
            22:00 → Myself, 20:40 Jane next
            20:45 Matt and Rachael
            Russell?
            Detained
            Evie feeling sick
            R went for a long time
            Jane replaced him

            [Three pages with drawings]

            Undated, at the Hilton in Berlin

            Scared wants to return
            Fears for her fear
            Reality suddenly binds
            Never loved anyone this much (Note: this is written in the third person, as in 'he/she never loved anyone this much')
            Never again able to be completely happy / enjoy something. I'm sorry to be asking some of these questions, but I am sure you will understand that our despair, particularly given the lack of information and resulting helplessness, may be somewhat mitigated if it gains some trust.

            1. The following people were heard?

            (I) teachers and all other officers of the school across the street from our apartment;
            (II) all staff working in the Ocean Club Tapas bar / restaurant;
            (III) [text cut]

            [...]

            the "reward"? (That was offered without our knowledge!)

            5. How is the information from countries other than Portugal and the United Kingdom being processed? Is it being handled by local police forces in their countries of origin and then passed on to you? Is there a "route" for this information?
            [illegible]
            6. Was significant data collected by experts in mobile phone communications?

            [...]

            1. Inquiries
            - School - ok
            - Tapas restaurant - ok
            - Child maintenance - ok
            - Yvonne Warren - not that I know of

            2. Rbt Murat? evidence? forensic results
            why still under strong suspicion if forensic results were negative

            3. Info relative to Madeleine? no

            4. Reward - OK

            5. Route for information from other countries?

            (Translation [from English original to Portuguese] the responsibility of the 'Area of Documentation and Translation' of the Policia Judiciária)http://duartelevypt.wordpress.com/o-caso-maddie/o-diario-de-kate-mccann/
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            Re:Pre-emptive, Avoidance & Confusion Discrepancies

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            After reading the statements I have realised how important the children were to most, if not all of them.

            I think they had plans to watch the children  and though Monday is the day we have not been 'told' who was not at the tapas, I am beginning to think that Monday is the day they all seem to want to avoid.

            Kate says that Gerry broke the shutters on Sunday and they repaired them on the Monday.

            We know from the 'Maintenance Order' that it was the Tuesday they were fixed, so it could have been the Monday they were broken.

            Did something happen to Madeleine on Monday and the reason the shutters were broken was because they were planning to use broken (or jemmied) shutters as a means of the 'abductor' entering the apartment and they were testing them out?

            She stated Sunday to make it appear it happened on a day which was 'normal' (which it likely was) not knowing that the Maintenance Order would be freely available to view and have it show Tuesday as the repair day (with Monday being the day they were broken)?

            The night Mrs Fenn heard the crying a few minutes prior to a flurry of phone activity on Kates phone...The twins may not have been in the apartment (looked after by ROB?) and knowing (according to the dogs) that Madeleine died in the apartment the crying (increasing in intensity) may very well be related and Kate (or someone) could have been in the apartment and left AFTER the crying stopped.

            (this would contradict a Monday death with Gerry testing the shutters for a future 'abduction' but right now its all about putting the puzzle pieces together and hoping the picture emerges in the end)

            Could it have been another child? Could it have been Kate in grief? (I'm sure no adult could sound like a child but always worth a thought)<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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            Re:Pre-emptive, Avoidance & Confusion Discrepancies

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            Gerry 4th May - Madeleine asked FATHER why hadnt HE gone to room when TWINS crying
            Gerry May 10th - Madeleine asked MOTHER why hadn't SHE gone to room when SEAN and MADELEINE were crying
            Kate May 4th - Madeleine asked her MOTHER why hadn't SHE gone to the room when TWINS were crying
            Fiona Payne Rog -(Kate told her) Madeleine asked her MOTHER why hadnt SHE gone to the room when MADELEINE and SEAN were crying

            Did Madeleine ask her FATHER?
            Did Madeleine ask her MOTHER?
            Was it the TWINS crying ?
            Was it SEAN and MADELEINE crying?

            DID IT EVER HAPPEN OR IS THERE A REASON THEY NEEDED TO SAY THIS?


            The police interviewer seems to be asking FP about the crying on Tuesday (Mrs Fenn) and FP replies with Madeleine's comment.

            (McCanns stated that on Tuesday night it was Amelie crying around midnight and Madeleine came into their room and slept in there....cot was seen by cleaner in their apartment Wednesday morning but both Gerry and Kate deny it was there)


            Gerald Patrick McCann, on the 4th of May 2007
            on the morning of May 3rd, MADELEINE asked her father, GERALD, why he had not come into her bedroom when the twins were crying. The deponent had heard nothing and therefore had not gone into the room, yet he thought his daughter’s comment was strange, even because it was the first time that she made it.

            Gerry McCann 10th May
            On the day that MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time, between 07H30 and 08H00. When they were having breakfast, MADELEINE addressed her mother and asked her “why didn't you come last night when SEAN and I were crying?” (SIC). That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never spoken like this and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left without any explanation.



            Gerry Sept 7th
            Concerning his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children’s room in the bed next to the window. He doesn’t know why, but thinks it could have been because of his snoring. Also on that day, after dinner, he returned to the apartment sooner than Kate.


            KATE - may 4
            She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday the 3rd, Madeleineasked the witness (Kate) why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The witness states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom, nevertheless she found her daughter’s comment strange because it was the first time she had made it.


            KATE September 6th
            When asked if she ever slept in Madeleine’s bedroom, she says that such happened on the Wednesday, because she was annoyed with Gerry. He ignored her after dinner when they went to the Tapas bar, which only happened that day. She decided to retaliate by sleeping in the other bedroom, in the bed under the window. She doesn’t know if Gerry noticed this because he was sleeping when she left, and if in fact her husband was aware of this, he made no comment.

            Regarding this night she said that none of the children cried, which she would have noticed as she was in the room. Regarding the fact that on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast, Madeleine said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter.

            On that night they also checked on the children every half hour; however she thinks that 45 minutes had gone by from the time of the last check to when they arrived, as exceptionally they went to the Tapas’ bar. On this day she thinks that Gerry arrived at the apartment around 23:50 and she arrived 5 minutes later. She went to sleep in Madeleine’s room 15/20 minutes later. Before this she spent a few minutes in her bed next to Gerry.

            From reading her previous statement, mainly lines 34-40 it can be understood that on the Wednesday night she slept in the couple’s bedroom, but that did not happen since she slept in Madeleine’s room.

            When asked if Madeleine slept in their room, she says yes, as mentioned, on the Tuesday night.


            FIONA PAYNE ROGATORY
            1485
            “Alright. [b]Do you recall on the Tuesday night, I believe, Madeleine crying or somebody from the McCANN’s apartment crying?”[/b]
            Reply
            “I thought that was Wednesday night. You see, I mean, I only knew about that because on Thursday night Kate had said, erm, as we were chatting at the table ‘Oh’, you know, ‘I wonder’, you know, ‘what’, ‘what she cried about’ or, you know, she’d asked Madeleine, erm, because I think Madeleine had said something ‘Where were you mummy, me and Sean cried’ and, you know, ‘where were you’ and that had obviously worried Kate and she couldn’t get anything more out of Madeleine, Madeleine had sort of moved on and, you know, didn’t say anything more than that and wouldn’t say, you know, whether she’d heard anything or been woken up or whether she had just woken up herself”
            1485
            “Yeah”.
            Reply
            “So that was on her mind”.
            1485
            “Right. So Kate told you that that happened on the Wednesday?”
            Reply
            “Well she told me about it on the Thursday”.
            1485
            “Told you on the Thursday, yeah”.
            Reply
            “So, yeah, thinking now, I just was thinking it was the Wednesday night”.
            00.12.42
            1485
            “But you can’t remember whether she said it was Wednesday night that it happened?”
            Reply
            “No, I can’t say that she said it was the night before”.
            1485
            “Right”.
            Reply
            “But I know I heard about it on the Thursday night when we were sat, sat down”.
            1485
            “Did you hear any shouting or crying at all?”
            Reply
            “No”.
            1485
            “No”.
            Reply
            “I mean, I know, I mean, there was lots of, you know, at bedtime there was lots of children’s noise, kids crying, because sort of kids do, but”.
            1485
            “Uh hu”.
            Reply
            “Erm, I never heard any crying after they’d gone down”.
            1485
            “Alright”.



            (...)
            1485
            “But you said that Kate told you about Madeleine waking up?”
            Reply
            “Yeah”.
            1485
            “And you couldn’t remember, you didn’t, you weren’t sure whether it was the night before?”
            Reply
            “Yeah”.
            1485
            “Or, you know, the night before that?”
            Reply
            “Yeah”.
            1485
            “What were the circumstances regarding her telling you that?”
            Reply
            “She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying ‘Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or’, erm, ‘or locking it and, you know, finding that we’re not there and the door’s locked if she woke up’, because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh”.
            01.15.57
            1485
            “So she asked you what your thoughts were regarding locking?”
            Reply
            “Yeah”.
            1485
            “Did she say whether she had locked or?”
            Reply
            “No, that was the point, I think they said they’d left it, well she’d said she’d left it unlocked”.
            1485
            “Left the patio?”
            Reply
            “And she felt a bit nervous about it but Gerry, Gerry had sort of said ‘Oh it will be fine’, you know. But she was obviously, because it wasn’t something she was quite easy with, that’s the way it came across, you know, but, but Gerry said, you know, ‘It’ll be fine. It’ll be fine’. Because I don’t imagine she would have said anything otherwise if it hadn’t been on her mind. And the fact was she, she, you know, commented on it being really strange that, that Madeleine had said this about waking up and them not being there and she’d mentioned that in the context of that conversation”.
            1485
            “And can you remember exactly what she said that Madeleine had said?”
            Reply
            “Tut, just words such as, erm, ‘Sean and I woke up and we were crying mummy and where were you’”.
            1485
            “Okay. Did she say what she said to Madeleine after that?”
            Reply
            “No, I think, it was more, the conversation was more Kate said she was trying to get more out of Madeleine, but as kids are, you know, they sort of move on and she wouldn’t really, she couldn’t really get out of her what had caused her to wake up or, or, erm, you know, whether she’d just woken up anyway and, you know, she never, never got that out of Madeleine”.
            01.17.29
            1485
            “And what did you say?”
            Reply
            “She didn’t seem frightened or anything, I mean, that is what Kate did say, you know, it wasn’t something that had frightened Madeleine. I said, in the context of the holiday, I guess I just said ‘Oh I’m sure they’ll be fine’”.
            1485
            “Right”.
            Reply
            “Much to my regret”.
            1485
            “Was that the early part of, I mean, because you have only got a window of about an hour really, haven’t you, in between, you know, you sitting down and Kate going and raising the alarm?”
            Reply
            “Yeah”.
            1485
            “So”.
            Reply
            “It was fairly early on in that evening”.
            1485
            “Fairly early?”
            Reply
            “Yeah, yeah”.
            1485
            “Could it have been the time that Gerry had gone to do the checking and then subsequently ran into Jez, could it have been around about that time?”
            Reply
            “I couldn’t say, I mean, you know, I’d say it was in the first half of the evening”.
            1485
            “Yeah. Is there anything else that you can remember about that conversation?”
            Reply
            “No, as I say, it just strikes me, in awful retrospect, that, you know, Kate, I think, had done something that she wasn’t quite happy with, in leaving the doors unlocked. And that is something again that she is going to beat herself up about for a long time to come because, you know, you, you like think that you acted on your instincts and I think her instinct was that that was something she wasn’t really happy to do”.
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            Re:Pre-emptive, Avoidance & Confusion Discrepancies

            Date Posted:04/25/2010 12:44 AMCopy HTML

            I found Gerry's September 7th statement particularly interesting and am in the process of showing relevant details pertaining to his comments.

            Courtesy of Maddie Case Files Team

            Volume IV, pages 2569 - 2578

            Arguido questioning of Gerald Patrick McCann, on the 7th of September 2007, at 11 a.m.
            Location: CID Portimão


            Of British nationality, the arguido cannot speak or write Portuguese, therefore an interpreter is present, Armanda Duarte Salbany Russell, chosen by the arguida from a list provided by the Consulate.

            The arguido’s legal representative, Dr Carlos Pinto de Abreu, is also present.

            He now possesses arguida status, and the rights and duties that assist him are explained to him, and he is subject to TIR [“termo de identidade e residência”, the lowest coercion measure that is automatically applicable, and consists of stating one’s name and residence].

            He fully confirms the contents of the statements that he has previously given to this Police, on two occasions, and has nothing further to add.

            After being made aware of the facts that befall him, he says that he wishes to make a statement.

            When asked if he had any responsibility or participation in the disappearance of his daughter Madeleine, he peremptorily denies this.

            When asked if on the night of May 1, 2007 he went to have dinner at the Tapas with Kate, he says yes.

            Najoua Chekaya
            She remembers that last Tuesday at the end of the quiz, she was invited to the table of nine guests who asked her to join them for a drink.

            She was at their table for about fifteen to twenty minutes and it was there that she met Mdeleine’s father, who directly invited her to the table, however, she does not know whether Madeleine’s mother was also there.

            When questioned, she said that they talked of banalities and she did not notice any aspect or behaviour that was out of the ordinary.
            When questioned, she said that during the time that she was there Madeleine’s father did not leave the table, neither did any of the other guests, however, during this time one of the chairs was always empty, that of someone who had had dinner and left, not managing to indicate any identifying element about this person.

            When questioned, she said she was at the table from about 21.30 to 21.50.



            As usual they would come and check on the children every half hour, usually alternating. They arrived at the Tapas around 20:30,

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            and then went to the apartment every half hour, until they arrived back, at around 23:00, plus or minus 10 minutes. Occasionally one of the others in the group made the check, he does not remember if this happened on the 1st. It is not true that Madeleine had been crying that night for an hour and 15 minutes, because she was not alone all that time.

            When questioned, he said that on the day they arrived, April 28, they removed two cots that were in their room, and placed them in Madeleine’s room. He is unable to confirm, but it could be possible, that there were 3 cribs, and they asked for one to be removed.

            It is not true that on a certain day they placed one crib in their room, leaving the other in Madeleine’s room.

            Maria Julia Serafim da Silva
            She remembers that when she entered the apartment (A), on Wednesday, that inside she came across the parents. After being allowed to enter, she carried out her work, as they had already left. While she was there, she did not come across any child, supposing that they were in the crèche;
            . During the time she carried out her work, she remembers having seen, given the scenario presented, that the couple slept in the room opposite the entrance way, where she came across a children’s cot. This room gives access to an exterior garden which is called the ground floor, and to a veranda. In the room closest to the door of the apartment, there was a bed pushed to the wall (where she assumed the missing child slept) and a second cot. All these beds were ‘messy’ and this told her that they had been used. She states further that in the room closest to the door, was another bed, which was not used


            He does not know what days were scheduled for cleaning the apartment.

            He now states that he also pushed the two single beds in his room together, which had been separated by a night table. He did that to transform the two beds into a double bed.



            Regarding the windows, he says they were normally closed, he does not know if they were locked, with the shutters also closed. Regarding Madeleine’s window he says that he made sure the shutters worked so as to darken the room for the children.

            On the day of arrival, he does not know if the shutters in Madeleine’s room were open, and if they were, he closed them. He did not open them again, and does not know if somebody else did. When confronted with a testimony that states having seen the shutters to that window open after their arrival, he says that it was not him who opened them.

            When asked about the window behind one of the sofas in the living room, he says that yes, he remembers the window but does not remember if the shutters were also closed.

            Regarding this sofa, he remembers it was drawn against the window. He is not sure, but thinks that this sofa was probably a bit further away from the window, and he vaguely remembers pushing it back a bit, because his children threw objects behind it, namely playing cards. When asked, he does not know if any of the children was behind the sofa or passed behind this sofa.



            When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room and in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn’t sleep. He thinks that he didn’t hear the crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if it was him or his wife that comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.

            KATE Sept 6th
            When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on Tuesday night for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45 p.m., she says that is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, so she stayed to sleep with her and Gerry in their bedroom. She says that before Madeleine appeared in her bedroom, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine came into the room almost at the same time she heard the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she, or Gerry, went to the children’s room, however she asserts that Amelie cried for a short time.

            When asked, she says that on that night the twins slept in the bedroom where Madeleine slept, each in their own cot.



            Concerning his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children’s room in the bed next to the window. He doesn’t know why, but thinks it could have been because of his snoring. Also on that day, after dinner, he returned to the apartment sooner than Kate.



            KATE Sept 6th
            When asked if she ever slept in Madeleine’s bedroom, she says that such happened on the Wednesday, because she was annoyed with Gerry. He ignored her after dinner when they went to the Tapas bar, which only happened that day. She decided to retaliate by sleeping in the other bedroom, in the bed under the window. She doesn’t know if Gerry noticed this because he was sleeping when she left, and if in fact her husband was aware of this, he made no comment.

            Regarding this night she said that none of the children cried, which she would have noticed as she was in the room. Regarding the fact that on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast, Madeleine said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter. On that night they also checked on the children every half hour; however she thinks that 45 minutes had gone by from the time of the last check to when they arrived, as exceptionally they went to the Tapas’ bar. On this day she thinks that Gerry arrived at the apartment around 23:50 and she arrived 5 minutes later. She went to sleep in Madeleine’s room 15/20 minutes later. Before this she spent a few minutes in her bed next to Gerry.


            Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him through the net if he was going to continue playing. The deponent said he didn’t know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, even more so because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Concerning his previous statement, where he states that David returned half an hour later, at around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court, after dressing up for the game.

            When questioned, he says that Madeleine usually sleeps well at night. During the first months of her life she had some difficulties sleeping, due to feeding problems. After moving to their house in Rothley in April 2006, twice a week Madeleine woke up, left her bed and went into their room; this sometimes happened between 23:00 – 24:00 for no apparent reason, maybe because she was used to sleeping with (*** blank ****).

            When asked about a chart highlighting the characteristics of the children, at the house in Rothley, he says that he does in fact have such an object, where several stars show the nights when Madeleine did not get up, as she was rewarded this way.

            When questioned if it was therefore safe to leave Madeleine in the apartment, given the fact that she woke and got up at night, he says that this rarely happened, and then only after her parents were in bed.

            When questioned about whether the couple’s and the children’s life was peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple, as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins’ first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out in the evening only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate changed her work habits for reasons related to depressions. He asserts that his wife never suggested to him that at some time she had the intention of handing Madeleine into the care of a family member.

            When questioned, he says that he works at the Emergency Room of the hospital where he works every 15 days, however he is not usually called out at night, and if this happens then it is once for 4 days’ prevention. Kate’s specialty is general medicine, but she only works two days a week. After the birth of the twins, Kate did not work for a year, on maternity leave, and currently works part-time as mentioned above.

            When questioned, he states that none of his children takes any kind of medication regularly in England.

            When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine, for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal.

            When asked at what time he went to check on the children the night Madeleine disappeared, he recalls that this was around 21:04 according to his watch. He remembers that once inside the apartment he was surprised that the door to the children’s room was slightly more open than how he had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, it could have been Madeleine who had opened the door after waking and getting up, eventually to go to her parents’ room. On this occasion, the three children were lying in their beds asleep, he is sure of this. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head; he does not know if they were in the position that can be seen in the photograph attached to the files

            The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate, but Matt offered to go as he was going to check on his own daughter. When Matt returned to the restaurant the arguido asked him if all was well; Matt replied that all was quiet. The arguido is not absolutely sure, but he is under the impression that he asked Matt if he entered their apartment, to which Matt replied yes.

            The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up.

            He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet. He was wearing tennis shoes, blue jeans and a light brown polar top. He does not remember what Kate was wearing that night. The arguido did not take a camera and does not remember if Kate did. He does not remember if anybody in the group took any photograph that night.

            He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere already.

            He remembers that at one time the lady who lived in the apartment above theirs, went onto her balcony and asked what was going on. He does not remember specifically who replied to this lady, but he remembers that somebody spoke to her, and he admits it could have been himself.

            When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the bedroom shutters and window.

            When questioned, he says that on that night he made several phone calls, namely to two sisters, a couple of Kate’s uncles, his brother, or certainly sent him a message, father PAUL SEDDON who baptized Madeleine and married the deponent. When questioned, he says he did not get in touch with any media and does not know if anyone did. In the morning his family did contact the press. The deponent spoke of contacting the press, however he never did so.

            When questioned he says that it was not him who requested a priest, but rather Kate, to seek spiritual help.

            Regarding the disclosure of Madeleine’s photograph, he says that he gave the authorities a photograph from a digital camera, and he thinks it was Russell who printed it at the main 24-hour resort reception. He made the delivery of this, or those, pictures on A4 paper to this Police, but he is absolutely certain that he never delivered any of these photographs to the GNR.

            Around 19:00 this interview was interrupted for a rest period, to be recommenced at around 19:40.

            When questioned if the twins woke up during the searches in the apartment, he replied negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke, as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, but he can find no reason for it happening. Yet, at that moment he thought that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which they now do, and that such is part of normal development. At that point and at this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping.

            When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they remained inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way. While the guests and resort workers were searching, he went to the main reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After returning from the reception he went back into the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

            When asked if he has life insurance, he says that he does, and so does Kate. The children do not have any life insurance, nor are their parents, Gerry and Kate, the beneficiaries of any insurance regarding the children.

            When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top there is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.

            When asked if in fact they went to the apartment every half hour, he says it is true, and that this was never forged to justify absences during dinner.

            When asked what the expression “we let her down” means, he says that it has to do with the fact that they were not present when Madeleine was abducted. It was Kate who first used this expression.

            During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown to him, where they can be seen signalling human cadaver odour and also human traces of blood, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure.

            After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odour in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact.

            The dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, as well, he says that he cannot explain this fact.

            Regarding the signalling of cadaver odour in the vehicle that was rented in late May, license plate 49-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.

            Regarding the signalling of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has no explanation for this fact.

            When confronted with the fact that Madeleine’s DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle, and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations that had already been described before, he says that he cannot explain.

            When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments.

            When questioned, he said that he is the usual driver of the car. In addition to the deponent, the car was also driven by his wife Kate, his sister in law Sandy, and a cousin of Kate’s by the name of Michael.

            When asked if he has anything to add, he said that he has not seen any proof that his daughter Madeleine is dead, and therefore he will continue to search for her in the hope she is alive. He knows nothing more than what has been said.

            The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

            During this interview the arguido was informed of his duty to respect the secrecy of justice, as well as the consequences of not complying with it, stipulated in current law.

            At around 22:50 the present interview was ended.

            He said nothing further.
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            Re:Pre-emptive, Avoidance & Confusion Discrepancies

            Date Posted:04/25/2010 12:46 AMCopy HTML

            The cleaner (describing the usage of the beds on Tuesday night) says that Madeleine's bed was not slept in....

            In the room closest to the door of the apartment, there was a bed pushed to the wall (where she assumed the missing child slept) and a second cot. All these beds were ‘messy’ and this told her that they had been used. She states further that in the room closest to the door, was another bed, which was not used


            So...Tuesday night there was ONE cot in Madeleine's bed and ONE bed (by the window?) slept in, and in the parents room there was ONE cot in the room....

            Did I read that correctly?

            Madeleine's bed (closest to the door) was NOT slept in?
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