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TinLizzy
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Date Posted:01/31/2012 9:23 PMCopy HTML

I have to say that i am pleased to see so many considering the 'Neglect' issue as  being a smokescreen for the truth.  The trade off for what they SHOULD be accountable for.

I have archived many of my posts on this subject as I tend to ramble on about it so often as I have always believed it to be the case, and often I see my old posts asking if I am the only one to think this way?

Every time the neglect issue is raised and the McCann's blamed for it I almost hear a cheer from TM.

Without realising it, a post that blames the McCanns for neglect, leaving their little ones alone while they go dining at the tapas, leaves the reader subconsciously thinking that the neglect is why Madeleine disappeared and inadvertently suggesting the abduction was the reason she disappeared.

They NEEDED to suggest neglect or the abduction wouldn't have been possible.  Kate refers to Wednesday night (in her book) as 'Rachaels turn to be sick'....My opinion is that it is very possible they were watching the children relatively responsibly...each taking turns to stay near all the apartments (or in one or two) and something  may have happened to Madeleine.

Rather than one person being responsible (which they would also have been singled out as a target had the 'abductor' taken Madeleine on their 'turn') it was agreed to incorporate the checking to eliminate one person being responsible.

There was a MAJOR reason for not reporting her death...that is another discussion.....but they ENCOURAGED the neglect issue.  The mantra in every storylne about them dining in the tapas....Gerry telling Jez more than once about leaving the children...the first time TUESDAY lunchtime!  Contrived even at that point (one reason that supports something happening to Madeleine earlier in the week imo)

There was no reason that they could not have said from the start that there was always someone back at the apartments looking after the children..(which according to their statements there was...MO on Sunday, ROB on Tuesday, Rachael on Wednesday) so why didnt they protect themselves against neglect by stating that?

They NEEDED neglect to give the abductor the 'window' of opportunity..(all of THREE MINUTES which I believe was one of their major errors).  An abductor could not have taken a child that was being watched.

I could go on forever, as I have posted on this issue more times than anything else and i feel like a broken record, but for those that would like to see some of the reasons that have supported my belief there are lots of examples here.


[b]HiDeHo Posts[/b]
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/HiDeHo-Posts-1-68493

[b]May 3rd Simulated Abduction or Neglect
[/b]http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Thursday-May-3rd/May-3rd-Simulated-Abduction-OR-Neglect-1-796646.html

[b]Neglect (Statements that show they cared about childcare)[/b]http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Individual-Topics/Neglect-1-796651.html

I ABSOLUTELY believe there was no neglect for NUMEROUS reasons.

1) The McCanns claim it to be true.  I believe nothing else, why should I believe that?

2) Rachael claims to have had  Ella in her apartment for a bath.

3) Gerry told everyone he could about leaving the children alone (so everyone would believe the abduction when they heard it.

4) On video the waiter claims they did not leave the table within short periods of time and he is sure they didn't leave for more than 45 mins.

5) There are many statements that show they really cared about the childcare arrangements prior to arriving (particularly MO) and JT I think.

6) For those of us that believe something happened to Madeleine earlier in the week then every night was 'faked' as being normal...hence the contrived 'checking.

7) The waiter claims that a few times the meal had to be reheated...could that have been because the person that was watching the children was relieved and able to get to the table for the meal?

8) On a video there is undercover filming of Mrs Fenns hairdressers where they claim that the McCanns were at Chaplins...It doesnt make it true, but if they did go there after the tapas they would need someone watching the children.  Whether we like them or not, I do believe they all loved their children and would not neglect them in any way.

9) When I write these neglect threads, I always get the feeling that if the McCanns see it they would 'hate' me...because once you take away neglect you are left with them being accountable for what  REALLY happened to Madeleine, because she couldnt have been abducted while being watched so how would they explain her disappearance?

Even better.....How could they explain the truth about what happened to little Madeleine?

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Re:It HELPS the McCanns to claim they were NEGLECTFUL!

Date Posted:02/04/2012 1:45 PMCopy HTML

You appear to miss the issue here. Whilst the Mcanns were just across the way in the Tapas bar, someone took their child.
Are you aware that a child in Wales was taken out of the bath and driven off by a pervert. Mum was in the lounge. Now who committed the crime of abduction? The child was  aged 3. Should she have been left in the bath on her own? That isn't the point. The point is, someone entered both houses and took children that were't theirs to take regardless of whether or not the parents were in the vicinity.

I don't get the vilification of parents when the perpetrator of the crime gets off scot free. The only conclusion I can draw is that their is a complete lack of mental agility or intelligence which allows an individual to differentiate between criminal and victim.

I don't think the McCanns would hate you. They would probably puzzle away at what drives someone like you to go to the trouble of creating a fancy website which does nothing apart from detract from finding a small child or at least trying to discover what happened to her. Check out baby Irwin. This type of event appears to be happening much more frequently. Wouldn't you lke to focus your attempts on getting the perpetrators of theses crimes instead of stirring up hate and vitriol. It might make you feel much better inside.
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Re:It HELPS the McCanns to claim they were NEGLECTFUL!

Date Posted:04/06/2012 2:15 PMCopy HTML

The only issue missed by the first guest replying is the official police investigation.
Admittedly it is a rather large issue to miss.
If one reads it one will learn a lot about the factual evidence gathered by the Portuguese and British (yes British) police and specialist forensic departments that led to the shelving of the case with the written observation that Maddie is (sadly) more likely dead than alive.
Alternatively one could carry on listening to the mantra of the parents....
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Date Posted:06/25/2012 1:56 AMCopy HTML

 

Was there really neglect?

According to statements, Matthew Oldfield was in 5B on Sunday night and Rachael was there on Wednesday...

This apartment was so close to Apartment 5A that they could hear through the walls....

Tuesday, Russell O'Brien was in apartment 5D with only one apartment separating his apartment from the Oldfields and then the McCanns. (a few steps away if checked from the entrance to the apartments.)

The Paynes had a monitor but were only one floor above.

Quick and easy enough for someone,  to keep an eye out for children rather than have everyone keep returning back from the tapas.

Tuesday night, Najoya the quiz mistress did not see Kate or David Payne between approx nine and ten pm so they may have been in the apartments.

Thursday there was only a few minutes during the evening when everyone was (supposedly) at the table.

An adult was very near to the children Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday and probably Thursday...

Only Monday is unknown...it is not known if everyone was at the table on Monday, there may have been someone watching the children.

What are the chances that 9 adults would choose to leave their children alone and not ask the person that was close by to keep an eye on them?

Why would they claim they were 'neglecting' their children when, for the most part, there was someone close?

How could an abduction have happened if the children were being watched?

Who would have been targeted as irresponsible if they claimed the children were being watched and the 'abduction' happened during their time?

They HAD to claim the children were 'neglected' or the 'plan' wouldn't have worked.

How could they have said they were watching the children (as I believe they were) and used an 'abduction' to explain why Madeleine was missing?

They have GAINED from the neglect issue also....

Each time that someone claims they were irresponsible and neglectful to their children, leaving them alone....it infers that Madeleine disappeared because she was left alone, and only supports the abduction theory IMO.

According to the files and the dogs, Madeleine died in the apartment and they had no alternative but to 'suggest' it happened while she was left alone, when it was very probable that she died for another reason and 'abduction' and 'neglect' was the ONLY way they could explain her disappearance, rather than the truth...which could have been that the children were being 'relatively' cared for by someone close by, she died (because of an unknown reason) and they had to hide the truth the only way they knew how....

Madeleine may not have died because she wasn't being looked after.....

To suggest neglect, suggests she was vulnerable to an intruder...which is what they want everyone to believe.

I don't believe it for one minute.
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See Gerry at 4.30, upset that it was suggested they checked every 15 mins...

He wanted to make sure everyone knew it was every 30 mins!!!


 
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Date Posted:09/26/2012 6:25 PMCopy HTML

'I could shake my daughter and the Tapas 7 for leaving Madeleine alone,' says Kate McCann's mother

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Madeleine disappeared from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on May 3 last year

Madeleine McCann's grandmother has attacked her own daughters' decision to leave her three children alone in their holiday apartment on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Kate McCann's mother, Susan Healy, admits she is totally astonished that she thought it was safe to leave Madeleine and their two other younger children unsupervised.

She has revealed that she asks herself again and again why their whole group, the so-called Tapas Nine, all believed it was fine to go out for dinner without their children.

Just days ahead of the one-year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, she vents her frustration, saying: "I could shake all of them, every single one of them."

In an interview with the Liverpool Echo, she admits: "I can read articles that say Kate and Gerry should never have left their children and I can accept that.

"You find yourself over and over again in your head thinking: 'Why did they think it would be all right?' "Why did they think - all of them - it was OK to do this?

"I think they were misled into thinking it was OK - but there was no CCTV, no security. There is this acceptance among couples with young children, like Kate and Gerry and their friends, that these are good resorts and safe environments."

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Astonished: Madeleine's grandmother, Susan Healy, with her husband Brian. She has admitted she cannot believe Kate left her children alone on the night she vanished

Mrs Healy says the fact Madeleine was left alone on the night she vanished was something the wider family, and not only the McCanns, had had to come to terms with.

But she also defends them, insisting that they must have believed their children would be safe before deciding to go out on their own.

"I understand Kate and Gerry and the others ate in a restaurant without their children. It's something we had to address and Kate and Gerry have had to address it every single day," she says.

"But at the end of the day they thought they had taken adequate provision . . . no one looks after their children better than Kate and Gerry. That's why it's so amazing they can be in this situation."

Despite her frustration at the "Tapas Nine", the 62-year-old describes their vilification in the press as "awful" and says their lives will never be the same.

"This is a group of friends who have all suffered a terrible trauma," she said. "They all did the same thing and what happened could have happened to any one of them. It's changed all their lives."

She also claims her family being dubbed "Team McCann" had made them seem like an "organisation without feelings".

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Kate and Gerry McCann have admitted they feel guilty about going out for dinner on the night Madeleine disappeared

Of the damaging headlines, she says: "Every time it happens it's like a slap in the face. You have to stop to think 'Do these people not know what they are doing?' - not just to us, but to other people."

While most people have been kind, there have been a "small minority" who have shown a different side since last May and some have even sent threatening letters to her and her husband, Mrs Healy reveals.

She begs that people do not lose sight of what the family wants above all else - for Madeleine to be found.

"Remember what this is all about - a little four-year-old child who was loved and cherished and cared for," she pleads.

"She was the greatest gift anyone in our family ever had. She is somewhere and she may be frightened and unhappy."

Reliving the night of May 3rd, she tells how her son-in-law rang her up at around 11.30pm to say Madeleine had been taken.

"He said something like 'It's a disaster'. I was grappling to understand 'disaster'. "His next words were 'Madeleine has been abducted from her bed in the apartment'.

"I said 'No, Gerry' and he said 'Sue, Sue'. He reiterated it in a strong way. I asked him 'Where were you?'"

She added: "We just sat all night and then went to Portugal the next day. I didn't know what day it was - some people packed my bags for me and the police drove us to Manchester Airport.

"I remember, after we got to the hotel complex, looking at the little paddling pool and all the children there. I was thinking 'This time yesterday, Madeleine was playing there'."

Her husband, Brian, adds that he will never forget laying eyes on his devastated daughter that day.

"I remember Kate's first words to me - I'll never forget them. She said: 'She'll be so frightened.'"

His wife said: "I don't know who I hugged first, but I'll never forget how Kate and Gerry were that day - they were absolutely wailing."

Five months later, to her parents' disbelief, Kate McCann and her husband were made official suspects in the case.

Madeleine's grandmother recalls: "Gerry did ring to warn us that they were likely to be made arguidos - I think it was a few days before. I nearly had a dicky fit. I was amazed and angry. Very angry.

"They had told the police they were going to come home. I think that moved things on for the police and they told Kate and Gerry they wanted to question them again.

"But their attitudes had changed before then, when the British police and dogs went out. When they were made arguidos I placated myself, never believing that anyone could think they were responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

"Some people, though,, picked up on certain things, despite it being a ridiculous situation. "They centered in on anything negative."

The family are bracing themselves for the one-year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance this Saturday.

She disappeared from their apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 during a family holiday to the Algarve resort.

Her parents were at a restaurant with their friends 40 yards away but had returned to the flat during the night to make regular checks.

They are not returning to Portugal at the weekend and plan to stay at their home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

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