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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:43 am 
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Dear Members,

We are calling for your support in targeting You Tube to have vile material removed from their website. We don't just want to send one or two complaints, we want to send a bulk within a 24 hour period. Our target for the 24 hour complaints period is Tuesday 26th February. On that day, with everything in place, we would like as many posters as possible to flag the material and send an email of complaint.

We were directed to the You Tube site a few days ago, regarding a really vile piece of video footage. We were astonished that You Tube allowed this to remain on their site and be viewed. In our opinion that sends the wrong message to millions of viewers. The video was of Madeleine talking from beyond the grave, asking Kate why she had killed her. Then we noticed other footage, just as vile, accusing Kate of killing Madeleine. It appears that in allowing this material to be viewed, You Tube supports it. People are openly accusing Kate and Gerry of killing Madeleine without any concrete evidence. What is more disturbing is that by their actions these people are promoting hate behaviour towards the McCanns. You Tube's inability to effectively judge material before allowing publication on their website, is allowing people to spread hate and lies about the case. Whatever happened to human decency and the principle of 'innocent till proven guilty in a court of law'? You Tube should review their publications criteria regarding this type of material because, currently, it's a free for all.

Here is what we are hoping to achieve with your help.
*Find as much unacceptable video footage on You Tube as possible and compile a list. At the bottom of this email are some of the links to footage we have found so far.
*Encourage as many people as possible to register at You Tube for the sole purpose of flagging this material and then e-mailing them a complaint.
*As already stated, we are hoping to make our voices heard over a 24 hour period, so as to target youtube with many hundreds/thousands of complaints. The date is set for Tuesday 26 February 2008.

Here are some of the links to the footage.
WARNING . IF you are sensitive to this type of viewing DON'T WATCH the video's, you can just list the footage links in your complaint.

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Your support will be very much appreciated.

WHAT TO DO ON TUESDAY.
On Tuesday, you go to each link that we have found, the list provided.
A....You then flag each video.

How do I flag inappropriate videos?
If you see a video that you think is inappropriate based on our Terms of Use (<!-- m -->http://web.archive.org/web/20080302125224/http://uk.youtube.com/t/terms<!-- m -->), you can report it to us for review by clicking the "Flag as Inappropriate" link under the video.
This is the reason you are flagging the video's:
1. they are containing shocking or disgusting content
and
2. they promote hate speech

B......Then you report multiple video's, do your e mail complaint.
How do I report multiple videos?
We encourage you to submit as many URLs as applicable within a single complaint. This helps us solve your problem more efficiently than if you submit multiple complaints.
Go to:
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And do your complaints e mail.

The Find Madeleine forum is proud to stand alongside our fellow forums HTFM, Forever Searching, For Madeleine and Only Madeleine in the fight to rid You Tube of these vile videos.

Please show your support by registering with You Tube and joining in tomorrow to flag as many of these vile videos as possible.

Together we will show a clear message to You Tube that we want this disgusting material removed from their website.

THANK YOU for your support.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:50 am 
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Includes Spudguns. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Note that the members are encouraged to flag without watching first.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:52 am 
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And how is that helping to find maddy?

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once trolls always trolls, only HTFM admit to it in targeting utube.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:54 am 
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Oh Nbrado, is this about finding Madeleine?!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:56 am 
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We should send THIS email to You tube to complain about censorship attempt or?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:59 am 
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astro wrote:
Oh Nbrado, is this about finding Madeleine?!

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is what about it?

I know for a fact HTFM are not interested in it by these actions.

actually I am going to contact utube with these details.

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This is bad. How can they think that they are the Guardians of morality when you see some of their own sites and it is chilling to read some of their posts.
Has anyone told youtube that there are going to be new posters enlisting just to do this?
First the media and now websites.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:01 am 
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well theres more of us than them, so when you see a troll flag, give them the thumbs down and report them in turn.

what they think works for them will in fact be their downfall.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:04 am 
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It is a shame the members of HFTM do not have a better cause to campaign against. Their fervour could do a lot of good if it was channelled into something with more honour involved. Unfortunately they believe what they are doing is for the sake of a 3 year old who disappeared; instead everything they do is to protect the McCanns which has the complete opposite effect of their original aim.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:05 am 
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The video of Madeleine talking is really sick. The comments below are mainly lumping anyone who harbours suspicion about the McCanns with the person who posted it. It's giving the HTFM nutters plenty of ammo unfortunately.

The parents deserve a slagging off imo, because of their behaviour before and after their daughter went missing. They should leave Madeleine alone tho, she's an innocent and distorting her features like this just made me want to cry.

I doubt youtube will stand up to the pressure, they'll probably do a 'Mirror', it's a sad state of affairs.

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I personally believe in freedom of speech and expression of opinions. These videos are a voice, an oppinion and i wouldnt want to be part of banning them at all. WTF enough already with the bullying of those with opinions and get to arresting those we have an opinion about. Sorted :blackeye:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:09 am 
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You should send the email with all the video's links to the P.J, they won't feel alone anymore! Thanks to the O.P and...the MacCanns to provide such an interesting listing!


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:16 am 
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frencheuropean wrote:
We should send THIS email to You tube to complain about censorship attempt or?


Agree.

In fact how about pre-empting the HTFM campaign by visiting each link and leaving a message along these lines:

The administrator of the Help To Find Madeleine website organisation does not like free speech and is organising an action to have this video and others removed from Youtube. He does not like people to think for themselves or express opinions, even opinions that are shared by Portuguese investigators. It seems to be more about protecting the parents than finding Madeleine. The parents are suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine and are withholding vital information.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:20 am 
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well taking a look at many of the comments, its is actually the HTFM comments that have the thumbs down.

they are the minority as always.

So they can form a line behind James Whale and cry till the cows come home.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:22 am 
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nbrado wrote:
astro wrote:
Oh Nbrado, is this about finding Madeleine?!

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is what about it?

I know for a fact HTFM are not interested in it by these actions.

actually I am going to contact utube with these details.


That was precisely the point.

May I add that some 'pro' message boards are spreading this 'call for arms', and they request their members who join the youTube campaign to report on their actions, because they need to pass the numbers on of members who have done it.

Reporting numbers...?!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:36 pm 
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nbrado wrote:
So isitrelevant you think its ok for them to try to organise trolling attacks on peoples VALID videos?


No - I think I couldn't give a hoot one way or the other. What's a 'valid video' rather than just a 'video' ?? The whole lot of them seem puerile to me

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so remember that when saying things like

"There's also the point that members of this site actively email and pester all and sundry when it suits their purpose."

A cheap attempt to try and liken the actions of those at HTFM to us doomed to failure.


A perfectly valid likeness in my opinion. There have been links to the mail addresses of every man and his dog - accompanied by encouragement to mail them - and an astonishing belief that it will make an important difference.


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No - I think I couldn't give a hoot one way or the other. What's a 'valid video' rather than just a 'video' ?? The whole lot of them seem puerile to me


Just as I suspected, isitrelevant just like the rest unable to tell the difference between what is sick and what is not.
so anyone expressing and opinion other than your own is sick eh
or anyone asking questions in a video is sick also eh?

i.e spudguns work / opinions of the rotherly woman.

how would you like it if I labelled you sick for expressing your opinions here?
because that is just what you are doing by labeling their work.

thanks for proving my point :D


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A perfectly valid likeness in my opinion. There have been links to the mail addresses of every man and his dog - accompanied by encouragement to mail them - and an astonishing belief that it will make an important difference.


Hold on a minute isitrelevant, it is not us that wanted to organise a spamming mission on youtube.

Therefore you opinion is flawed when trying your very very best to liken what people are doing here to HTFM's little missions.

As you seem unable or unwilling to understand what is actually sick and what the problem is I see little point trying to help you further as you seem beyond it.
the difference here isitrelevant is we are countering in a sensible way and alerting utube and those responsible that this sort of thing is going on.

remember WHO intiated this nonsense not the 3a.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:46 pm 
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Just as I suspected, isitrelevant just like the rest unable to tell the difference between what is sick and what is not.
so anyone expressing and opinion other than your own is sick eh
or anyone asking questions in a video is sick also eh?


Puerile
1. of or pertaining to a child or to childhood.
2. childishly foolish; immature or trivial: a puerile piece of writing.

Sick
1. afflicted with ill health or disease; ailing.
2. affected with nausea; inclined to vomit.
3. deeply affected with some unpleasant feeling, as of sorrow, disgust, or boredom: sick at heart; to be sick of parties.
4. mentally, morally, or emotionally deranged, corrupt, or unsound: a sick mind; wild statements that made him seem sick.
5. characteristic of a sick mind: sick fancies.
6. dwelling on or obsessed with that which is gruesome, sadistic, ghoulish, or the like; morbid: a sick comedian; sick jokes.
7. of, pertaining to, or for use during sickness: He applied for sick benefits.
8. accompanied by or suggestive of sickness; sickly: a sick pallor; the sick smell of disinfectant in the corridors.
9. disgusted; chagrined.
10. not in proper condition; impaired.
11. Agriculture.
a. failing to sustain adequate harvests of some crop, usually specified: a wheat-sick soil.
b. containing harmful microorganisms: a sick field.
12. Now Rare. menstruating.
–noun
13. (used with a plural verb) sick persons collectively (usually prec. by the).
—Idioms
14. call in sick, to notify one's place of employment by telephone that one will be absent from work because of being ill.
15. sick and tired, utterly weary; fed up: I'm sick and tired of working so hard!
16. sick at one's stomach, Chiefly Midland and Southern U.S. nauseated.
17. sick to one's stomach, Chiefly Northern, North Midland, and Western U.S. nauseated.

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IsItRelevant wrote:
No - I think I couldn't give a hoot one way or the other. What's a 'valid video' rather than just a 'video' ?? The whole lot of them seem puerile to me


Just as I suspected, isitrelevant just like the rest unable to tell the difference between what is sick and what is not.
so anyone expressing and opinion other than your own is sick eh
or anyone asking questions in a video is sick also eh?

i.e spudguns work / opinions of the rotherly woman.

how would you like it if I labelled you sick for expressing your opinions here?
because that is just what you are doing by labeling their work.

thanks for proving my point :D


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A perfectly valid likeness in my opinion. There have been links to the mail addresses of every man and his dog - accompanied by encouragement to mail them - and an astonishing belief that it will make an important difference.


Hold on a minute isitrelevant, it is not us that wanted to organise a spamming mission on youtube.

Therefore you opinion is flawed when trying your very very best to liken what people are doing here to HTFM's little missions.

As you seem unable or unwilling to understand what is actually sick and what the problem is I see little point trying to help you further as you seem beyond it.
the difference here isitrelevant is we are countering in a sensible way and alerting utube and those responsible that this sort of thing is going on.

remember WHO intiated this nonsense not the 3a.


I never commented on whether any of them were sick or not - I really don't care about the videos at all. The authors seem like a bunch of numpties with nothing better to do with their time.

...and I like your attempt to differentiate between HTFMs "spamming missions" and this sites tendency to encourage honourable mailing from concerned citizens to appropriate authorities.

The difference is obvious now.


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Puerile or Sick.

still does not warrant organised youtube trolling.

if its puerile or sick then you dont watch it you flag it but you certainly do not force the opinion or video out of existence because you WILL it to be gone.

I was one of the first on this thread to agree what is actually SICK being a few of those videos.

but the sneaky way HTFM and affiliates have tarred everyone with the same brush on their usual little online doomed expeditions is pathetic.

So that is what a VALID video is.

Someone expressing their opinion and regardless of if you find it sick OR purile no amount of pro baiting will get it removed just because YOU say so.

"encourage honourable mailing from concerned citizens to appropriate authorities"

yes thats right but thats something that HTFM could not do, no they have to try to rally numbers to FORCE the issue. in essence rig the pages in question to have their way at utube because they know damn well they do not have a donkies leg to stand on getting it removed any other way.

Their attempt to have this little platform here you post on was another doomed to failure mission.

And I make my point again the harder they try the more the resolve.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:58 pm 
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nbrado wrote:
Puerile or Sick.

still does not warrant organised youtube trolling.

if its puerile or sick then you dont watch it you flag it but you certainly do not force the opinion or video out of existence because you WILL it to be gone.

I was one of the first on this thread to agree what is actually SICK being a few of those videos.

but the sneaky way HTFM and affiliates have tarred everyone with the same brush on their usual little online doomed expeditions is pathetic.

So that is what a VALID video is.

Someone expressing their opinion and regardless of if you find it sick OR purile no amount of pro baiting will get it removed just because YOU say so.


I'm struggling to see where IsItRelevant has backed any kind of organised trolling, just indifference:

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No - I think I couldn't give a hoot one way or the other. What's a 'valid video' rather than just a 'video' ?? The whole lot of them seem puerile to me

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nbrado wrote:
Puerile or Sick.

still does not warrant organised youtube trolling.

if its puerile or sick then you dont watch it you flag it but you certainly do not force the opinion or video out of existence because you WILL it to be gone.

I was one of the first on this thread to agree what is actually SICK being a few of those videos.

but the sneaky way HTFM and affiliates have tarred everyone with the same brush on their usual little online doomed expeditions is pathetic.

So that is what a VALID video is.

Someone expressing their opinion and regardless of if you find it sick OR purile no amount of pro baiting will get it removed just because YOU say so.


Where have I said I wanted them removed? - Er - not once, at no time, never. If you are so interested in the opinion of "woman from Rothley" then you can sit and watch her video all day and I won't bat an eyelid - i promise.


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IsItRelevant wrote:
nbrado wrote:
Puerile or Sick.

still does not warrant organised youtube trolling.

if its puerile or sick then you dont watch it you flag it but you certainly do not force the opinion or video out of existence because you WILL it to be gone.

I was one of the first on this thread to agree what is actually SICK being a few of those videos.

but the sneaky way HTFM and affiliates have tarred everyone with the same brush on their usual little online doomed expeditions is pathetic.

So that is what a VALID video is.

Someone expressing their opinion and regardless of if you find it sick OR purile no amount of pro baiting will get it removed just because YOU say so.


Where have I said I wanted them removed? - Er - not once, at no time, never. If you are so interested in the opinion of "woman from Rothley" then you can sit and watch her video all day and I won't bat an eyelid - i promise.



So answer this question do you condone the actions of HTFM and the pros for trying to get vaild videos removed?

Can you confirm you find those people expressing their opinions such as spudgun and video comments as purile?

you already said all of them are IYO

my comments are directed at all those in general who are doing this sort of thing for HTFM not just reserved for you isitrelevant i'm detailing how it works not what you have done.

and I should be able to watch the opinions of the woman in rotherly all day long if I like without having some bunch of religious fruitbats try to decide for me if its valid/sick or purile.

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nbrado wrote:

So answer this question do you condone the actions of HTFM and the pros for trying to get vaild videos removed?

Can you confirm you find those people expressing their opinions such as spudgun and video comments as purile?

you already said all of them are IYO

my comments are directed at all those in general who are doing this sort of thing for HTFM not just reserved for you isitrelevant i'm detailing how it works not what you have done.

and I should be able to watch the opinions of the woman in rotherly all day long if I like without having some bunch of religious fruitbats try to decide for me if its valid/sick or purile.


I don't condemn or condone it - I couldn't care less. Posting political comment on Youtube is the Andy Warhol Experience for those that do.


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The source contacted us today..

BJR,

You seem to lack a lot of truth and facts on your thread regarding the campaign by several forums to You Tube.

Firstly, it was NOT HTFM that started the campaiign,
The campaign was started by the Only Madeleine forum.

Only Madeleine then contacted ther foums to join in.
HTFM was just one of several other forums asked to paticipate.

DELETED BY ADMIN, AS UNFOUNDED ALLEGATION

I ask for the removal of the email from your forum, as it was a personal email to members of the Find Madeleine forum. The same person who has started this was responsible for stealing a personal email from our forum. Which I had to ask you and other Admins to remove from their forums.

The Find Madeleine forum was invited to join the campaign by Only Madeleine. The Find Madeleine forum is not affilated with HTFM. That affiliation is with the Find Madeleine website. NOT our forum.

I ask that the slanderous messages be removed, along with the email.

I await your co-operation regarding this matter and am disappointed in this latest breach of confidentiality.

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I will keep the username of this sender in private and give them the opportunity to address the thead.

removing it is not an option.

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The source contacted us today..

BJR,

You seem to lack a lot of truth and facts on your thread regarding the campaign by several forums to You Tube.

Firstly, it was NOT HTFM that started the campaiign,
The campaign was started by the Only Madeleine forum.

Only Madeleine then contacted ther foums to join in.
HTFM was just one of several other forums asked to paticipate.

DELETED BY ADMIN AS UNFOUNDED ALLEGATION

I ask for the removal of the email from your forum, as it was a personal email to members of the Find Madeleine forum. The same person who has started this was responsible for stealing a personal email from our forum. Which I had to ask you and other Admins to remove from their forums.

The Find Madeleine forum was invited to join the campaign by Only Madeleine. The Find Madeleine forum is not affilated with HTFM. That affiliation is with the Find Madeleine website. NOT our forum.

I ask that the slanderous messages be removed, along with the email.

I await your co-operation regarding this matter and am disappointed in this latest breach of confidentiality.

+++++++

I will keep the username of this sender in private and give them the opportunity to address the thead.

removing it is not an option.


Nbrado, would you be so kind as to consider the possibility of omitting the parts of that message that constitute an offense to Kazlux?

I personally don't see the point of reproducing unfounded accusations against one of the most respected members of this message board, especially when those accusations were made behind Kazlux's back, so to speak, and not openly in the forum.

Where I come from, this is called cowardice.

Thank you for your decision on not removing the opening post.


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I have removed the paragraph Astro, but I would like to say just because someone highlights the activities of these boards they are soon quick do a whoosh click gone on the person and accuse them of unfounded allegations and try to discredit their reputation. You are correct astro, the person they are referring to is a highly respected member of our community. All I can say is that if we banned everyone that copied and pasted from here and any other forum then I certainly would be banned because I have copied and pasted things from various sources.

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Thank you Nbrado, Astro and BRJ.

I'd like to point out that the email as posted by me in the OP is the WHOLE e-mail as I received it, only with the emailaddress of the sender xxxxxxx'd out. WHERE does it say it is confidential?


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The source contacted us today..




Well flipping heck, who is this 'source', why don't they respond to the OP themselves, why 'hide' behind the administrators of this board.

I find it a bit unfair that they choose to pm the MODs to put across their 'side' of the story and not be brave enough to 'show themselves'. I mean do they actually have an account here?

Seems rather childish really.

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This is ridiculous! :evil: If you want to delete Kazlux email, then I'll post mine! It quite obviously wasn't a private email as I had no contact with the person before receiving it and it was caught in my spam filter(mass mails generally go there!), there for it was spam and nothing more.

I'll post up a few viagra offers too, or p*nis enlargment.. how to thrill your woman emails(they're not good to me), just to balance it out and title the thread 'spam I've received'. Can't argue with that :D

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I ask for the removal of the email from your forum, as it was a personal email to members of the Find Madeleine forum. The same person who has started this was responsible for stealing a personal email from our forum. Which I had to ask you and other Admins to remove from their forums.


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This is ridiculous! :evil: If you want to delete Kazlux email, then I'll post mine! It quite obviously wasn't a private email as I had no contact with the person before receiving it and it was caught in my spam filter(mass mails generally go there!), there for it was spam and nothing more.

I'll post up a few viagra offers too, or p*nis enlargment.. how to thrill your woman emails(they're not good to me), just to balance it out and title the thread 'spam I've received'. Can't argue with that :D



LOL Elemental 'the source' might come and get you for posting this.


The Source, The Source,
who is The Source.

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The other email was posted by V... something or other, it wasn't Kazlux at all!

The Source can do what they b****y like, if they sent it to ME then it's MINE not theirs!

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The other email was posted by V... something or other, it wasn't Kazlux at all!

The Source can do what they b****y like, if they sent it to ME then it's MINE not theirs!



Quite right too, or what would be the point in emailing you, erm

Elemental here's an email,
oh Elemental that's my email lol lol lol.

Anyway The Source is obviously a shy one eh.

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I am shaking my head in disbelief. I also want it known that I received the same email. I really don't give a flying fig who started the trolling campaign, for after all, the email in question has come to us from an "administrator of Find Madeleine". Doesn't that speak volumes :?:


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The person that sent me that PM, received one back from me saying that Admin would talk about it and if they felt strongly about the situation they were more than welcome to air their views on the open board.
bjr wrote via PM wrote:
Hi

I have forwarded your PM onto my co-admin for them to read and make the final decision, but as I see it you are not denying the existence of the e-mail, so in all honesty this e-mail does exist and the action plan contained in the e-mail exists aswell.

Therefore I am not at this precise moment prepared to remove the e-mail and comments until I conversed with my co-admin.

If you feel so strongly may I suggest that you address the forum in the manner of a post on the thread itself, to state your postion until Admin decide whether they are or are not going to remove the thread.


Obviously the PM I received back after declined this offer, so make of that what you will. But to me, in my personal opinion, that means "The Source" wants to hide behind a PM system and not defend their actions firstly in the sending of the e-mail and secondly why they wish the e-mail to be whooshed clicked away.

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This has really annoyed me, I've been trying to figure out why, but I can't put my finger on it. I have never ever had a problem with any Pro's or Anti's EVER.. but if this c*** carries on I may just turn anti-pro! :?

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Just when I thought I'd seen it all, they went and attacked KazLux.

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Just when I thought I'd seen it all, they went and attacked KazLux.

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"The Source" must be a bit of an idiot if they think they have a right to reclaim ownership of an email they've sent. It's no different to a letter.

I assume they hadn't foreseen it might get posted up on a less accommodating forum and have now hit the panic button and are backpedalling furiously.

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Was just reading through the comments on youtube.

It's not hard to work out who JoGriffinuk is :roll:


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Was just reading through the comments on youtube.

It's not hard to work out who JoGriffinuk is :roll:


no its not a hard one is it?
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I haven't looked recently but when the HTFM site was originally set up, it called itself an "Affiliate" of the FindMadeleine website. This classification was also confirmed on the FindMadeleine website.

To me, there is no doubt that the two sites are affiliated.


HTFM were linked directly fron the old findmadeleine.com site. But when it was relaunched the links were removed most probably because of the antics of HTFM in posting the IP addresses of the originators of messages which didn't conform to their world view.


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Nope still there.


Not all of them - apparently 6 have been removed.


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Was just reading through the comments on youtube.

It's not hard to work out who JoGriffinuk is :roll:


Help me out here.........who is JoGriffinul then?

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Nope still there.


Not all of them - apparently 6 have been removed.


Yep I concur that 6 have been removed!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

It seems to have worked!!!!!!!

They must have had a fair few complaints then.


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Hi all,

First time poster long term reader. I see the videos are back up under a new user name!

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Hi all,

First time poster long term reader. I see the videos are back up under a new user name!

:shock:



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Nope still there.


Not all of them - apparently 6 have been removed.


Yep I concur that 6 have been removed!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

It seems to have worked!!!!!!!

They must have had a fair few complaints then.


Makes you wonder if this HTFM lot do have some sort of influence with people in the right places. I must say I am surprised that YouTube have removed them.


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I cant find them have you got the link?



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jjjjj wrote:
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Nope still there.


Not all of them - apparently 6 have been removed.


Yep I concur that 6 have been removed!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

It seems to have worked!!!!!!!

They must have had a fair few complaints then.



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I cant find them have you got the link?



LINK REMOVED BY ADMIN


I wonder how long this will last there. I hope not long. I think the one with Madeleine is sick beyond belief :evil:


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