HIGH COURT LONDON (monday) - (Merged topic)

flossy07 · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:30 pm **Posts:** 598

Court 20
Before MRS JUSTICE HOGG
Monday, 7 July, 2008
At 10:30 AM
IN OPEN COURT
FD07P01121 McCann
Applications/Summonses in Court as in Chambers

So not postponed, does open court mean that any one can sit in?

http://web.archive.org/web/20080718080515/http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/list_family.htm

Pogacsa · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 144

Open court!!

peacelover · **Joined:** Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:11 am **Posts:** 238

Verrry interesting...

wonder why they said it was postponed then ...

Surely not in order to prevent people turning up for a look see? ;;)

Tripz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:30 pm

On the eventuality of them succeeding in this order..the ramifications of which are the blocking of any information pertaining to their daughter being publicised..Correct???? :-?

Pogacsa · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 144

We don't really know from an independent source what this hearing is about. That it is in open court (when before it was not) suggests it can't be a ward of court issue.

pear · **Joined:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:24 pm **Posts:** 2214

Thanks!

just listening · **Joined:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:09 pm **Posts:** 851

Ok whose in the area? Who's going?

pear · **Joined:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:24 pm **Posts:** 2214

Pogacsa wrote:

We don't really know from an independent source what this hearing is about. That it is in open court (when before it was not) suggests it can't be a ward of court issue.

Maybe this hearing was the way for the Telegraph to publish the ward of court thing?

flossy07 · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:30 pm **Posts:** 598

just listening wrote:

Ok whose in the area? Who's going?

I live no way near London, but wish i did, i would certainly bre there.

zodiac · **Joined:** Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:49 pm **Posts:** 126

Why would family Court deal with access to Police files here or in PT? It does not make sense, smells fishy. Hope there will be proper reporting done (better not hold my breath). Hope some posters on here who live locally and have the time have a gander.

Tripz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:38 pm

Pogacsa wrote:

We don't really know from an independent source what this hearing is about. That it is in open court (when before it was not) suggests it can't be a ward of court issue.

This is really important to know what prequestites are in place following a successful hearing?
Are they then legally entitled to block the publication of any information gleaned/collated by the PJ concerning M??? We must get an unequivocal answer to this..Please anyone?

roshea · **Joined:** Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:11 pm **Posts:** 201

I think Cabo is in the area! shall I pm him??? B-)

MsMarbles · **Posted:** Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:42 pm

zodiac wrote:

Why would family Court deal with access to Police files here or in PT? It does not make sense, smells fishy. Hope there will be proper reporting done (better not hold my breath). Hope some posters on here who live locally and have the time have a gander.

Forget the newspapers. If open court means some members of the public will be allowed in, then they if off the 3A's, are our best bet of learning what goes on that day.

just listening · **Joined:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:09 pm **Posts:** 851

I am confused if this is in open court then it cannot be regarding a WOC this surely would be private? TM? So why was the WOC story released? Pink spin but why? Was it to deflect from the real case on Monday which is purely about the evidence held by LP and to keep people away from Monday's case i.e believing it would be a closed hearing anyway? Then in the last few days spin about this case being cancelled something is afoot here I think.

roshea that would be great please do pm him, if it is open court then I am sure the public can go how great would that be first hand info for a change, thanks

templehedron · **Joined:** Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:45 pm **Posts:** 179

I think that you may find that the hearing is not open to the public.

the phrase: "Applications/Summonses in Court as in Chambers" implies that although the hearing will take place in the physical court room (Open Court) it will proceed as if it were 'in chambers'.

In Chambers means privately before a judge.

bonnybraes1 · **Joined:** Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm **Posts:** 4490

If anyone can go, please do. But no banners, no shouting comments, just sitting and listening and reporting, please!

Tripz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:46 pm

Fcuk if I was living in London I'll certainly be pushing in the queue to get in..Anyone going PM me! Ta

LittleGreyCell · **Posted:** Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:47 pm

just listening wrote:

I am confused if this is in open court then it cannot be regarding a WOC this surely would be private?

Yes, Family Court hearings are always closed.

Pogacsa · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 144

just listening wrote:

I am confused if this is in open court then it cannot be regarding a WOC this surely would be private? TM? So why was the WOC story released? Pink spin but why? Was it to deflect from the real case on Monday which is purely about the evidence held by LP and to keep people away from Monday's case i.e believing it would be a closed hearing anyway? Then in the last few days spin about this case being cancelled something is afoot here I think.

Perhaps this is something that will inevitably emerge from Monday's hearing and so Mitchell and co felt the need to pre-empt and prepare the public. But if it is a family court matter, it can't be delicate or else it would never be open session.

earthspirit · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:53 pm **Posts:** 2927

flossy07 wrote:

Court 20
Before MRS JUSTICE HOGG
Monday, 7 July, 2008
At 10:30 AM
IN OPEN COURT
FD07P01121 McCann
Applications/Summonses in Court as in Chambers

So not postponed, does open court mean that any one can sit in?

http://web.archive.org/web/20080718080515/http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/list_family.htm

i hope that she can see right through the EMPERORS NEW CLOTHES

and i hope that she is not too sympathic to the mccanns - seems like she really does care about child welfare though
perhaps they are asking for the date to be changed at that appearance?

Justice Hogg: A career in child welfare

A judge whose career has centred around cases concerning child welfare will decide whether runaway foster parents Jeff and Jenny Bramley are to be allowed to adopt Jade and Hannah Bennett.

Mrs Justice Hogg, a mother of two children both aged under 10, has been a High Court judge in the Family Division since 1995 and served on the council of the Children's Society from 1990 to 1995.

[ image: Mrs Justice Hogg: Made an appeal for the Bennetts' return]
Mrs Justice Hogg: Made an appeal for the Bennetts' return
Dame Mary Claire Hogg, 52, comes from a famous legal and political dynasty; she is the daughter of former Lord Chancellor Lord Hailsham and sister of former agriculture minister Douglas Hogg.

Educated at St Paul's girls school in London, she decided to train for the law instead of going to university.

When she was appointed to her present position in 1995, she became only the seventh female High Court judge.

A year later, she hit the headlines after issuing an emergency order for a pregnant woman to be held in hospital against her will and forced to have her baby by Caesarean section.

Mrs Justice Hogg has that admitted her own feelings as a mother prompted her to issue an appeal last November for the Bramleys to return Jade and Hannah, saying she was "very worried for their safety".

The High Court tipstaff said at the time he had never heard of a similar plea from a judge and that, although acting in a judicial capacity, Mrs Justice Hogg was "concerned as a mother" about the two girls.

She was awarded the DBE in 1995 and was given an honorary doctorate of law the same year by the University of Westminster, of which she is governor.

earthspirit · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:53 pm **Posts:** 2927

courts do not discuss the welfare or children in a court where the members of the public can just walk in off the street

its to protect the children of course! @};-

Ian · **Joined:** Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:48 pm **Posts:** 840

I wonder what they are up to!

DCB · **Joined:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:46 pm **Posts:** 1071

templehedron wrote:

I think that you may find that the hearing is not open to the public.

the phrase: "Applications/Summonses in Court as in Chambers" implies that although the hearing will take place in the physical court room (Open Court) it will proceed as if it were 'in chambers'.

In Chambers means privately before a judge.

With respect, I think you are incorrect - there are 2 hearing in Court 20 the Mccann in open court, the other FD06P01276 in court as in chambers.

Ian · **Joined:** Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:48 pm **Posts:** 840

earthspirit wrote:

courts do not discuss the welfare or children in a court where the members of the public can just walk in off the street

its to protect the children of course! @};-

More secure than a holiday apartment when dining near by?

Pussycat · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:22 pm **Posts:** 894

Interesting that of all the hearings listed for Monday, only the McCanns are mentioned by name, not just a number

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