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[quote="urcrazy"][quote="mumof5"][quote="LogicMan"]Ello Ello Ello..whats all this then.....

The fall from grace was always going to be spectacular...but I have Never seen anything Rocketing toward earth as fast as this case......

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I mean contaminated by cigarette ash = HOUSEHOLD CLEANING PRODUCTS = Fact.   ??[/quote]
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The samples were taken at the end of July.
The cleaning products were those applied by cleaning staff, as the apartment had been relet before FINALLY being sealed after the DNA was collected.

There was even a photo in the UK press of the staff van parked ouside the flat, with the cleaning materials shown quite clearly in the back.

Obviously the press thought this was worth making a note of [/quote]

Cigarette ash??

WELL????
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[quote="blondee"]What is the source of this please? [/quote]

It's only from an anti-McCann blog. Chill.
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: British Police want to quiz Foreign Office envoys &   

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[quote="Impartial"][quote="Kazzy"]

The British Government may deny authorization for further questioning of the McCann couple, and suggest instead that formal charges are brought against them, as a way to force a quick end for the case.

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NOT GOOD......[/quote]

Can you imagine if the British police took a similar policy with every other case. Someone gets murdered, so they bring in a suspect, ask them a few questions which they refuse to answer, at which point they charge them and hope the case sticks.

It beggars belief, that this same government are suggesting we hold suspected terrorists for 42 days without charge because they need this much time to question them.

I'm a labour supporter and even I'll admit that the current government are incompetent, unfit for purpose and quite likely totally corrupt at every level, and sadly they have to go, and soon.

Although they've quite clearly interfered in the early stages of this case, they have since provided specialist services such as forensics etc, and I'd be surprised if they actively attempted to block further questioning.
 
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[quote="anti_mccann"]When did we start taking Levy and Reis seriously?[/quote]

we didn't
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I have no idea if this is true or not, but if I was a Government in damage control mode at this point of an investigation (I mean, if I had not been able to block the investigation in the first place), this sounds like a good way to go about it.
 
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[quote="LogicMan"]Ello Ello Ello..whats all this then.....

The fall from grace was always going to be spectacular...but I have Never seen anything Rocketing toward earth as fast as this case......

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So good to see you LM!
Most interesting, not! 
 
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[quote="chad"][quote="blondee"]What is the source of this please? [/quote]

It's only from an anti-McCann blog. Chill.[/quote]

I'm quite chilled already thanks.
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LogicMan, you seem to regard this as a good thing, but I don't like the sound of it at all!

I want the McCanns to be questioned. I think I want Jane Tanner to be questioned even more!
 
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[quote="Blamhappy"]LogicMan, you seem to regard this as a good thing, but I don't like the sound of it at all!

I want the McCanns to be questioned. I think I want Jane Tanner to be questioned even more![/quote]

Oh, if this is true, it's not good, of course. It would put pressure on the Prosecution to wrap up the case half baked. For one thing, the clock would start ticking towards 18 months.
 
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[quote="Blamhappy"]LogicMan, you seem to regard this as a good thing, but I don't like the sound of it at all!

I want the McCanns to be questioned. I think I want Jane Tanner to be questioned even more![/quote]

Ah! But if they accept a smaller charge, even manslaughter, then the FULL story will not come out. It is too dangerous for the FULL story to come out.
It would be too much for the public who worshipped these 'model' parents to bear.
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salam well if clarrie gets questioned and the others its gonna be a mighty fall in there pride. i think clarrie may become unemployable . unless he seen doing a false flag op. have they filled his last job in yet . sorry offtopic   [u] peace and blessing on all.[/u]
 
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I really don't like conspiracy theories, they offend my sense of esthetics. But if THIS happens, if the McCanns accept a lesser charge, etc, nobody will be able to convince me that there wasn't something big and stinky behind all this.
 
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[quote="pear"]I really don't like conspiracy theories, they offend my sense of esthetics. But if THIS happens, if the McCanns accept a lesser charge, etc, nobody will be able to convince me that there wasn't something big and stinky behind all this.[/quote]

But even a lesser charge of child neglect resulting in harm, which is indusputable under Portuguese law could get them a 10 year sentence. Would their high powered lawyers really permit this?

Beginning to see why Young Chicken suggested to Kate at 3.00 a.m. that she plead guilty to accidental homicide, and get 2 years - reality being that senstivities towards remaining twins she'd get off with a warning.

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I'd be happy enough for them to go down for manslaughter. That would be enough justice for me! I'd be worried that, without more questioning, the case for manslaughter would be weaker than the optinum.

I'm still hoping for the discovery of the body.
 
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[quote="Blamhappy"]I'd be happy enough for them to go down for manslaughter. That would be enough justice for me! I'd be worried that, without more questioning, the case for manslaughter would be weaker than the optinum.

I'm still hoping for the discovery of the body.[/quote]

It will never be found. Too much evidence with it.
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Just thinking outloud here.....if they really want to question all these people....could it be there is more that one investigation going one....ie...fraud or something of the like???? 
 
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[quote="mexx"][quote="pear"]I really don't like conspiracy theories, they offend my sense of esthetics. But if THIS happens, if the McCanns accept a lesser charge, etc, nobody will be able to convince me that there wasn't something big and stinky behind all this.[/quote]

But even a lesser charge of child neglect resulting in harm, which is indusputable under Portuguese law could get them a 10 year sentence. Would their high powered lawyers really permit this?

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Yes, if that means they would be hung out to dry. (BTW, that would be coherent with K yelling "No, no, no" to youngChicken at 3 in the morning, but, of course, as G would say, it's pure speculation)
 
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: British Police want to quiz Foreign Office envoys &   

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[quote="Hare"][quote="Impartial"][quote="Kazzy"]

The British Government may deny authorization for further questioning of the McCann couple, and suggest instead that formal charges are brought against them, as a way to force a quick end for the case.

[/quote]

NOT GOOD......[/quote]

Can you imagine if the British police took a similar policy with every other case. Someone gets murdered, so they bring in a suspect, ask them a few questions which they refuse to answer, at which point they charge them and hope the case sticks.

It beggars belief, that this same government are suggesting we hold suspected terrorists for 42 days without charge because they need this much time to question them.

I'm a labour supporter and even I'll admit that the current government are incompetent, unfit for purpose and quite likely totally corrupt at every level, and sadly they have to go, and soon.

Although they've quite clearly interfered in the early stages of this case, they have since provided specialist services such as forensics etc, and I'd be surprised if they actively attempted to block further questioning.[/quote]

Maybe I;m incorrect but I thought FSS was an independent service and had to be paid for by the client, ie PJ......... didn;t know this service was being provided by UK government
 
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I know this is so boring but for those of you who didn't see this story yesterday here is some backgroud that I posted;

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/vie.....mp;start=0
 
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[quote="mumof5"][quote="LogicMan"]Ello Ello Ello..whats all this then.....

The fall from grace was always going to be spectacular...but I have Never seen anything Rocketing toward earth as fast as this case......

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Yep and it feels good ...

I mean contaminated by cigarette ash = HOUSEHOLD CLEANING PRODUCTS = Fact.   ??[/quote]

Yep, that's the bit I picked up on too “The samples we received were very small and with a high degree of contamination by house cleaning products, but we were able to get a good amount of results.��?

So, no fag ash then?
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[quote="Mag54"]

So, no fag ash then?

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It's been a disgrace the way Team McCann have got away with painting the Portuguese police as fat lazy slobs.

... and here we have it ... it wasn't the PJ 'buffoons' shuffling around aimlessly, flicking fag-ash all over the place, that contaminated the DNA ... it was the desperate 'cleaning up' of the McCanns that did it !

... "a 'high' degree of contamination by cleaning products" ( it conjures up a scene of them frantically rubbing away at stains, that is horribly disturbing to imagine )
 
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[quote="myra2006"][quote="Hare"][quote="Impartial"][quote="Kazzy"]

The British Government may deny authorization for further questioning of the McCann couple, and suggest instead that formal charges are brought against them, as a way to force a quick end for the case.

[/quote]

NOT GOOD......[/quote]

Why would the British Government deny authorization for further questioning? Is it because they have seen the so called questions and believe that they are of no real significance? And consequently are pointless? Also, if they did indeed suggest that formal charges are brought instead, does this mean that the British Government know that the PJ have no real evidence against the McCanns so that would indeed bring a quick end to the case.
 
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[quote="stumpy"]
Why would the British Government deny authorization for further questioning? Is it because they have seen the so called questions and believe that they are of no real significance? And consequently are pointless? Also, if they did indeed suggest that formal charges are brought instead, does this mean that the British Government know that the PJ have no real evidence against the McCanns so that would indeed bring a quick end to the case.[/quote]

I believe that in the UK there is a separation and independence of powers: that would be an unaccepatble intrusion of the executive in the judicial, at least in my country.
 
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[quote="IamSpartacus"][quote="Mag54"]

So, no fag ash then?

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It's been a disgrace the way Team McCann have got away with painting the Portuguese police as fat lazy slobs.

... and here we have it ... it wasn't the PJ 'buffoons' shuffling around aimlessly, flicking fag-ash all over the place, that contaminated the DNA ... it was the desperate 'cleaning up' of the McCanns that did it !

... "a 'high' degree of contamination by cleaning products" ( it conjures up a scene of them frantically rubbing away at stains, that is horribly disturbing to imagine )[/quote]

It was more likely to be that someone authorised the reletting of the appartment, and as a consuquence the appartment would have been cleaned, but NOT by the McCanns.
 
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[quote="sans_souci"][quote="IamSpartacus"][quote="Mag54"]

So, no fag ash then?

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It's been a disgrace the way Team McCann have got away with painting the Portuguese police as fat lazy slobs.

... and here we have it ... it wasn't the PJ 'buffoons' shuffling around aimlessly, flicking fag-ash all over the place, that contaminated the DNA ... it was the desperate 'cleaning up' of the McCanns that did it !

... "a 'high' degree of contamination by cleaning products" ( it conjures up a scene of them frantically rubbing away at stains, that is horribly disturbing to imagine )[/quote]

It was more likely to be that someone authorised the reletting of the appartment, and as a consuquence the appartment would have been cleaned, but NOT by the McCanns.[/quote]

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As I understand it, 5a was not relet, it was sealed as from May 4th. I believe it was the apartment that the McCanns moved to from there that was relet and subsequently sold.

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[quote="stumpy"][quote="myra2006"][quote="Hare"][quote="Impartial"][quote="Kazzy"]

The British Government may deny authorization for further questioning of the McCann couple, and suggest instead that formal charges are brought against them, as a way to force a quick end for the case.

[/quote]

NOT GOOD......[/quote]

Why would the British Government deny authorization for further questioning? Is it because they have seen the so called questions and believe that they are of no real significance? And consequently are pointless? Also, if they did indeed suggest that formal charges are brought instead, does this mean that the British Government know that the PJ have no real evidence against the McCanns so that would indeed bring a quick end to the case.[/quote]

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I have a horrible suspicion that the Government are going to call the
PJ's bluff and NOT sign these papers. They obviously know if there is
or isn't any evidence and are passing the buck for the PJ to charge
them. Oh God I hop I'm wrong. If Jacqui Smith doesn't sign the letters
though - knowing all the Tapas 7 indiscrepencies, etc., - there is going to
be a huge backlash against her of Government cover-up.
 
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[quote="pear"][quote="stumpy"]
Why would the British Government deny authorization for further questioning? Is it because they have seen the so called questions and believe that they are of no real significance? And consequently are pointless? Also, if they did indeed suggest that formal charges are brought instead, does this mean that the British Government know that the PJ have no real evidence against the McCanns so that would indeed bring a quick end to the case.[/quote]

I believe that in the UK there is a separation and independence of powers: that would be an unaccepatble intrusion of the executive in the judicial, at least in my country.[/quote]

Yes, I agree. But what if the British Government are being advised by another organisation, say for instance the Police. That is not beyond the relams of possibility. I am sure (maybe im wrong) that the British Government is getting advice from somewhere on this particular matter??
 
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There IS evidence! Loads of it.
 
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[quote="Blamhappy"]I'd be happy enough for them to go down for manslaughter. That would be enough justice for me! I'd be worried that, without more questioning, the case for manslaughter would be weaker than the optinum.

I'm still hoping for the discovery of the body.[/quote]

But if they admit manslaughter then that is an automatic admission to hiding a body, fraud, falsely reporting a crime etc.

That would definitely be enough justice for me.

If they serve any less than ten years then it is an absolute travesty,
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[quote="IamSpartacus"][quote="Mag54"]

So, no fag ash then?

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It's been a disgrace the way Team McCann have got away with painting the Portuguese police as fat lazy slobs.

... and here we have it ... it wasn't the PJ 'buffoons' shuffling around aimlessly, flicking fag-ash all over the place, that contaminated the DNA ... it was the desperate 'cleaning up' of the McCanns that did it !

... "a 'high' degree of contamination by cleaning products" ( it conjures up a scene of them frantically rubbing away at stains, that is horribly disturbing to imagine )[/quote]

Sometimes with this case there are some things that make you want to laugh out loud or scream with frustration.....they will say anything to discredit the PJ and any of the forensic evidence. Let's hope there is movement in this now and closure for Madeleine to be put to rest.
This whole charade is shameful, how can the McC's or any of the Tapas7 sleep at night......'you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free' has never sounded so right as it does with this case. So, come on all of you who know the truth, speak up now!
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Forget cigarette ash versus cleaning products ... take another look at that FSS statement:

a source from FSS confirmed: “The samples we received were very small and with a high degree of contamination by house cleaning products, but we were able to get a good amount of results.��?....

"we were able to get a good amount of results"
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[quote="Dogma"][quote="stumpy"][quote="Dogma"][quote="stumpy"][quote="pear"][quote="stumpy"][quote="pear"][quote="stumpy"]
Why would the British Government deny authorization for further questioning? Is it because they have seen the so called questions and believe that they are of no real significance? And consequently are pointless? Also, if they did indeed suggest that formal charges are brought instead, does this mean that the British Government know that the PJ have no real evidence against the McCanns so that would indeed bring a quick end to the case.[/quote]

I believe that in the UK there is a separation and independence of powers: that would be an unaccepatble intrusion of the executive in the judicial, at least in my country.[/quote]

Yes, I agree. But what if the British Government are being advised by another organisation, say for instance the Police. That is not beyond the relams of possibility. I am sure (maybe im wrong) that the British Government is getting advice from somewhere on this particular matter??[/quote]

Even so. If the PT Prosecution has nothing in their hands, let them fall on their faces. Nothing except a matter of national security would justify any other behaviour, in my opinion. IF (and I really mean IF) this is true, they have to be extremely careful how to go about this, because it is extremely serious.[/quote

Pear, one last query then I'll leave you in peace 

Do you believe that J Smith will make the decision re the questioning without receiving any form of advice from any quarter? Thanks][/quote]

the Attorney General would be the person to give that advice[/quote]

Thanks Dogma, and I'm assuming that the AG would have had access to all the files on this case... So that would mean that Ms Smith will base her decision after reviewing ALL the information... Phew.....[/quote]
Would be surprised if either JS or the AG are party to any of the files as it goes. They would look at the legality of the submission itself, the remit of the questioning and whether there were any legal issues involved with the McCanns answering questions here. They wont be able to make an assessment on the quality of evidence gathered thus far or the case against the mccanns. Just whether the asking of questions will contravene any laws here with regard to the mccanns rights. Given that JS has on more than one occasion stated her confidence in the PT judicial process, I dont think there is ANY prospect of the govt blocking the quetionning of the mccanns.[/quote]

Exactly, that's the point I'm tryiong to make, Stumpy: the requested country doesn't have any opinion about the quality of the evidence in the process, only about the legality of it all. If it had doubts about the legal system of the requesting country, it would not have treaties with them on that matter, either.

That is why I'm saying that any blocking of questioning of witnesses or arguidos in this case (or any other case) would be an extremely serious matter (serious for UK, I mean). Any interferences would have taken place "under the table".
 
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[quote="anti_mccann"]When did we start taking Levy and Reis seriously?[/quote]

They are journalists and have access to info that the uk newspapers refuse to publish!
 
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[quote="pear"][quote="Dogma"][quote="stumpy"][quote="Dogma"][quote="stumpy"][quote="pear"][quote="stumpy"][quote="pear"][quote="stumpy"]
Why would the British Government deny authorization for further questioning? Is it because they have seen the so called questions and believe that they are of no real significance? And consequently are pointless? Also, if they did indeed suggest that formal charges are brought instead, does this mean that the British Government know that the PJ have no real evidence against the McCanns so that would indeed bring a quick end to the case.[/quote]

I believe that in the UK there is a separation and independence of powers: that would be an unaccepatble intrusion of the executive in the judicial, at least in my country.[/quote]

Yes, I agree. But what if the British Government are being advised by another organisation, say for instance the Police. That is not beyond the relams of possibility. I am sure (maybe im wrong) that the British Government is getting advice from somewhere on this particular matter??[/quote]

Even so. If the PT Prosecution has nothing in their hands, let them fall on their faces. Nothing except a matter of national security would justify any other behaviour, in my opinion. IF (and I really mean IF) this is true, they have to be extremely careful how to go about this, because it is extremely serious.[/quote

Pear, one last query then I'll leave you in peace 

Do you believe that J Smith will make the decision re the questioning without receiving any form of advice from any quarter? Thanks][/quote]

the Attorney General would be the person to give that advice[/quote]

Thanks Dogma, and I'm assuming that the AG would have had access to all the files on this case... So that would mean that Ms Smith will base her decision after reviewing ALL the information... Phew.....[/quote]
Would be surprised if either JS or the AG are party to any of the files as it goes. They would look at the legality of the submission itself, the remit of the questioning and whether there were any legal issues involved with the McCanns answering questions here. They wont be able to make an assessment on the quality of evidence gathered thus far or the case against the mccanns. Just whether the asking of questions will contravene any laws here with regard to the mccanns rights. Given that JS has on more than one occasion stated her confidence in the PT judicial process, I dont think there is ANY prospect of the govt blocking the quetionning of the mccanns.[/quote]

Exactly, that's the point I'm tryiong to make, Stumpy: the requested country doesn't have any opinion about the quality of the evidence in the process, only about the legality of it all. If it had doubts about the legal system of the requesting country, it would not have treaties with them on that matter, either.

That is why I'm saying that any blocking of questioning of witnesses or arguidos in this case (or any other case) would be an extremely serious matter (serious for UK, I mean). Any interferences would have taken place "under the table".[/quote]

I'm starting to see the light now... 

I'm afraid I've been going down the wrong road so to speak, I assumed that Ms Smith would be making her decision on whatever so called evidence on the case she would be privvy to. I now understand that she will be making her decision purely on legalities only... another one for good measure.. 
Thanks for your patience!! 
 
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