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Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:06 AMCopy HTML http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/timelines-hideho-s-research-f174/creating-a-timeline-by-what-they-avoid-and-not-what-they-tell-us-t10000.htm Approaching this case from a different angle, by recognising the days/times and subjects that are 'sensitive' to the McCanns will give an indication about what was important to hide. Trying to follow the statements with logic is helpful only to the timeline they want us to believe. The reason I believe that Madeleine died prior to May 3rd is because there is so much confusion and many discrepancies in the earlier days that they had something to hide at that point. This wasn't an ordinary holiday. Madeleine (according to the dogs and the police files) died and the story is contained in the statements, not by believing the lies but by recognising the 'confused' areas of their statements are likely relative to them hiding the truth. Normal memory issues are understandable, but when there is confusion and lack of memory for such an important occasion as Madeleine disappearing, there are instances that, in my opinion, are more non-committal than memory problems. One example would be which night ROB stayed in the apartment. Easy to forget after a normal holiday where every night was the same, but in this case he missed the quiz night. That should be not only easily recognisable for ROB but also for Jane and the other to have not had ROB answering any questions. This told me that there is a likelihood they were trying to hide something as early as Tuesday night. Were they trying to hide something regarding Madeleine' death or were they trying to hide each of them taking turns looking after the children. If Madeleine hadn't died, would they be telling us that Matt watched the children on Sunday night, ROB on Tuesday, Rachael on Wednesday? They needed 'neglecting the children' to support the time opportunity for abduction, but, to acknowledge a specific person as responsible for watching them, would have meant they would have been targeted so the 'checking' system was used to keep the responsibility generic. On the other hand...the confusion and discrepancies may have been to hide something far more sinister... Madeleine's death. If possible, I would like to put together a list of discrepancies, pre-emptive comments (eg Amelie crying on Tuesday night at midnight and Madeleine subsequently sleeping in their room that night was obviously to cover for the actual crying more than an hour earlier, that they were not positively aware had been heard as Mrs Fenn did not tell them) and any non-committal comments which may have been an effort of the truth but changing the day etc. Once a list is compiled, I feel sure that a 'picture' will start to appear..... When the discrepancies started and what they refer to will give us an idea of what they needed to hide. Pre-emptive comments will let us know the specific occasions and subjects of which there was something 'questionable' that they needed to justify. Non committal memory will give an idea of the important 'day' that they must try 'hide' to attempt to redirect focus away from what was really happening....or give credence to the day in question by adding information of other days activities. eg (from a statement, not sure who at the moment) Sunday, Monday or Tuesday K & G and kids ate in Paynes apartment for lunch The cleaner confirmed it was Sunday...(see below) Was it so difficult to remember it was the first lunchtime visit or was it a convenient opportunity to allocate it to a different day...a day when something sinister was happening...a day that they cannot explain away and need to fill with mundane activities?
MO running with Kate - Monday or Tuesday ------ According to Kate's diary it was Wednesday and it was the day that Rachael was sick (Wednesday) ROB not at Tapas Bar because sick child - Monday or Tuesday .- JT cannot remember ROB at Tapas - Monday or Tuesday ------ Easy to remember the quiz and the quiz mistress, should not have created confusion with a little thought Fiona and others (she can't remember if K&G also) at beach in the evening - Monday or Tuesday Rachael sick Tuesday or Wednesday....Easy to remember if she was at the quiz. Kayaks Monday or Tuesday Maddie's crying incident, Tuesday or Wednesday Gerry clams: Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom, with KATE, as she had told him that one or both twins were crying, making much noise. (Keep in mind this is from his statement from May 10th...Mrs Fenn did not tell them about the crying....so they were maybe pre-empting any possible witness statements, maybe attempting to confuse which day, not realising Mrs Fenns statement.) August 10 2007 statement She states that she never told the McCs that their daughter had cried on Tuesday, because she thought that would hurt them even more. ROB using key to enter MO's apartment Sunday night...MO was supposedly sick and in the apartments at the time.... Lying is difficult, the truth is far easier to get correct! I believe a list of these instances would highlight the picture of what REALLY happened and not the one they want us to believe.... I have always believed its what they DON'T tell us that is where we will find the truth. |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:07 AMCopy HTML [b][size=12]As I make this list there is, so far, an effort to add Sunday and Tuesday activities (confirmed from other sources) to be Monday's activities.
<P>Accidental memory loss or on purpose?...Time will tell...[/size].[/b]</P> <P> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]The cleaner states that she saw a cot in the McCann's bedroom Wednesday morning and yet Kate denies it...WHY?[/list]</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]Everyone states that K&G did not go to the Millenium for breakfast after Sunday and yet, not only does Dianne Webster remember POSSIBLY seeing them, in Kates diary she wrote this... </FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2></FONT> <P><FONT size=2>[i]Wednesday - 02.05.2007<BR>Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning<BR>RAIN<BR>Kids club<BR>Tennis → postponed wet courts<BR>[color=red]→ Millennium K and G - meet F, D and D[/color]<BR>+ / - 11.30 Kate run with Matt<BR>+ / - 40 min.<BR>Get kids<BR>Lunch - apartment, recreational area<BR>Kids club<BR>G Tennis 14.30-15.30<BR>K 15.30-16.30 tennis? tennis lesson<BR>? G Tennis lessons 16:30<BR>Launching speed<BR>? object tennis<BR><BR>High tea → recreational area<BR><BR>Rest. - No Rachael (5B)<BR>Apartment next door<BR>- Slightly later bedtime? 24.00<BR>→ to bar after dinner[/i][/list]</FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]The window in Kate’s room was closed and she admits they used the blinds, because Gerry broke them and they were repaired on the Monday; the incident occurred on Sunday.(documents show it was Tuesday)<BR>[img]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/blindrepaironthe1stofMay2007.jpg[/img]</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>More to the point...<BR>[list][*]WHY were the shutters an issue?[/list] <BR>[list][*]WHY did Kate need help with using the washing machine (did EVERYONE call maintenance before they could use it?)[/list]<BR>[list][*]If this was an innocent moment in the holiday could it have been the inspiration for bringing the shutters into the equation when they were trying to establish a credible story for the faked abduction?[/list]<BR></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]She consciously tried to make it seem that it was the Sunday when it was actually Monday...a day they have trouble being truthful about?[/list]</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[i]Monday 30.04.2007<BR>Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning<BR>Kids clubs:<BR>Tennis 09.15-10.15 K<BR>G 10.15-11.15<BR>[color=red]*? washing machine / blinds[/color]<BR>Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave<BR>[color=red]Kids club?? beach[/color](NOTE: Kids club went to beach on Tuesday afternoon..trying to 'fill' Monday?)<BR>+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.<BR>16:30 Tennis lessons<BR>High tea<BR>18:30? tennis night for women<BR>Recreational area<BR>Afternoon: K and J Supermarket<BR>Rest. - everyone[/i] </FONT> <P><BR><FONT size=2>[/list]</FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]WHY did Kate drop Madeleine off at the creche on Monday at 3.15pm...Someone? dropped the twins off at 3.25 and pick Madeleine up 5 minutes later at 3.30pm (no notation of the twins being picked up that afternoon) and yet NO reference to what they did that afternoon? Surely that day would have stood out and be worthy of a mention if Madeleine was with them all afternoon?</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2></FONT> <P><FONT size=2>ROB dropped E**a at 4.00pm and no notation of picking her up? ODD?<BR>[img]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/CrecheFinal-1.jpg[/img]<BR>[/list]</FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]Was it a coincidence that Kate had phone activity just PRIOR to the time Mrs Fenn heard the crying. Was she (and the phone) at the tapas restaurant or more than likely in the apartment?</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2></FONT> <P><A href="http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm"><FONT size=2>http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=2>[i]Kate phone activity May 1st:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>10.16.42 (After tennis or in apartment while maintenance fixing blinds or by pool with Rachael?)<BR>11.56.06<BR>12.17.21...Just before she picked up Twins from creche & GM picked Madeleine<BR>19.45.03</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>20.31.31<BR>20.33.32<BR>20.35.58<BR>20.37.24</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>22.16.15........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn<BR>22.23.15........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn<BR>22.23.28........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn<BR>22.24.22........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn<BR>22.25.36........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn<BR>22.27.50........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn[/i]</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Crying heard by Mrs Fenn from 22.30pm until 23.45pm[/list]</FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[list][*]Kates diary for Thursday deserves a thread of its own...</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2>[Thursday 03.05.2007 - The day of the disappearance<BR><BR>[i]Breakfast - Apartment<BR>[color=red]Comment Madeleine "Where were you (was I) when me and S cried?"[/color] [b]WHY openly comment about this?[/b]<BR>[color=red]Kids club, time - check registration[/color] [b]What does this comment mean?[/b]<BR>09.00-09.30 → 12:30<BR>Sailing (beach) [b]Madeleine was there for an hour[/b]<BR>[color=red]Wash M top of pyjamas - big stain[/color] [b]WHY comment about it...WHATS the reason? WHAT is it hiding?[/b]<BR>Lunch? apartment? tea<BR>? get Madeleine<BR>Tennis lesson 09.15-10.15<BR>conversation on the grass w / Russell and Nigel (the video camera)<BR>[?] Minutes of tennis<BR>K<BR>[color=red]J and Fiona (Scarlett)[/color] [b]?[/b]<BR>Then pick up S and A<BR>(? Meeting there with G)<BR>Breakfast - apartment -? balcony<BR>? recreational area - ok<BR>Afternoon / Kids club - a bit later<BR>K Ella already there<BR>Swimming - indoors pool<BR>K and G - practice tennis then lesson and coach Dan<BR>15.30 - 16.30<BR>Julian appeared - continued to play with Gerry<BR>I went to run → beach<BR>(rest of the group on the beach)<BR>Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running.<BR>+ / - 17.20-17.30<BR>[Strikethrough text illegible]<BR>M very tired and quiet<BR>Since Ella was taken from the KC → beach. I was a little worried that she was sad to have been alone. (Not realised that the group had gone to the beach.)<BR>She said she was fine.<BR>She asked me to pick her up and said she was tired.<BR>I picked her up and carried her to the apartment with G and S and A<BR>Prepared bath as kids tired and men's tennis night at 18.00.<BR>I considered returning to the recreation area with the kids but decided to stay in the apartment after bath and hair wash.<BR><BR>G men's tennis night<BR>B pyjamas<BR>Biscuits and milk for the kids - left them with this and books and games and went to take a quick bath / wash my hair.<BR>I got out of the bath and David was knocking on the patio doors.<BR>I wrapped myself in a towel and went into the living room.<BR>He asked if we wanted to go to the recreational area, since he could help me take the kids.<BR>Refused - since kids ready for bed.<BR>I dressed myself.<BR>Ate some snacks with the kids<BR>M tired - sitting on my lap - read story of MOG<BR>Brush teeth<BR>To bedroom with kids<BR>G there too - I think.<BR>[Children's music] - M telling story<BR>M removes and lowers head on pillow<BR><BR>S + A good-night kisses for M<BR>From S and A → cots x2<BR>K gave a good-night kiss to M<BR>Leaned the door as much as possible without closing it.<BR>Silence<BR>? dry hair<BR>Make-up<BR>Glass of wine<BR>20:35 → rest. First to arrive<BR>21:00 → G, Conversation with Steve<BR>21:30 → Matt, Carolyn (Note: Carolyn is a witness who says she heard someone calling Madeleine's name, around 21:30, as she walked back to her apartment)<BR>22:00 → Myself, 20:40 Jane next<BR>20:45 Matt and Rachael<BR>Russell?<BR>Detained<BR>Evie feeling sick<BR>R went for a long time<BR>Jane replaced him[/i][/list][hr]</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE border=5 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#1f009b cellPadding=0 width=0 bgColor=#e6e8ff height=0 algin="Left"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2></FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><FONT size=2></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></P> |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:08 AMCopy HTML DUPLICATE OF ABOVE POST As I make this list there is, so far, an effort to add Sunday and Tuesday activities (confirmed from other sources) to be Monday's activities. Accidental memory loss or on purpose?...Time will tell... .
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:09 AMCopy HTML Hare
With the exception of very early interviews with the family, every single word uttered by the McCann's or their spokesman was designed to fulfil some purpose. Every press release, and every blog entry was designed to misdirect. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->I watched an interesting program on TV last week about the accuracy of eyewitness testimony. The program makers simulated a stabbing in a pub in which the victim was killed, and 10 or so people who witnessed the event where asked to provide witness statements to greater manchester police who then put together a timeline of events, and compared it against actual video footage of the incident. To complicate matters, one of the witnesses was a plant, whose role was to feed false information to the other witnesses, and to mislead the police. What was interesting, is that the statements where initially extremely contradictory. One witness actually confused the identity of the victim, with the identity of the murderer despite only being 20 feet or so from the incident when it took place !. We pick up on the discrepencies between the accounts of the tapas crew, but perhaps these discrepencies arnt perhaps quite so great as we think The comforting thing was that despite the massive inconsistancies in witness statements, and the delberate attempts made by witnesses to confuse the issue, the police pretty much cut through all of the confusion and determined EXACTLY what happened, and the order that it happened in. In a very short space of time, using cognitive interviewing techniques the police where able to sort the wheat from the chaff, and establish reality from fiction. So its clear that the police have extremely robust interview techniques that probably revealed everything they needed to know within hours. The problem we have in this case is the degree of noise and confusion generated by their various PR teams. I think you have to go right back to the day after the event, and disregard every single piece of newspaper or media evidence after that point, or at the very least, walk through how events unfolded day by day, and the McCann's reactions to these events. The problem remains, the police are well aware of the truth, but for reasons as yet unknown, action cannot be taken. If someone where to come forward with the whole event recorded in HD from 20 different angles, along with a signed confession, the evidence would be ignored ! |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:10 AMCopy HTML I totally agree with you hare. We place too much credence in memory and perception. I also agree that nothing will be enough to prove the truth. The Mc's seem immune to being responsible for their lies and contradictions. They could say Black is White and they would not be held accountable and would be believed by many. However, although we would never be able to reach the truth on this, and other forums and blogs, we have, and continue, to go a long way in keeping the case within public view. Nothing is impossible and, maybe one day, one of the T7 will have the courage to post details on this or other forums anonymously, regardless of the intimidation they are probably facing. Every time we make a commitment to search for the truth is another day closer to finding the truth. |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:11 AMCopy HTML Three years later its worth revisiting the diary to see what she WANTED us to believe.... <!-- google_ad_section_end -->Does anyone know the approximate date that Kate 'created' this curiosity? Thanks to...... http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html The Diary Duarte Levy Wordpress (Portuguese) http://duartelevypt.wordpress.com/o-caso-maddie/o-diario-de-kate-mccann/ By Duarte Levy 04 May 2009 Translated by Nigel Moore, with thanks to Astro Kate's "Diary" is one of the most curious pieces of a puzzle that the men of the Policia Judiciária tried to reconstruct in order to establish the facts surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine. The report of the first days spent in Praia da Luz was written after the event and reports a kind of "agenda" detailing what the McCanns and their friends allegedly did. Two years later, day by day, it is interesting to compare Kate's report with what is known in the process. An exercise that reveals contradictions and surprises in its content. Sat. 28.04.2007 Arrival O.C. 15:00 Apartment 5A Pool Swim with M Meeting with M.W. officials and have a drink Rest. Millennium with kids (only night) (Note: 'Rest.' = Restaurant) Return walk - difficult for kids Bed Bath → Bed early Sun 29.04.2007 Breakfast Millennium Restaurant ? pruning of hedge Morning Kids Club 10:00 morning talking over coffee, I went along to tennis Lunch sandwiches → → F balcony and Dave Kids Club afternoon Seated in deck-chairs F A A K and G run - Beach 16:00 High tea Recreational area Rest.: No Matt Monday 30.04.2007 Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning Kids clubs: Tennis 09.15-10.15 K G 10.15-11.15 *? washing machine / blinds Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave Kids club?? beach + / - 16.00 K run 25 min. 16:30 Tennis lessons High tea 18:30? tennis night for women Recreational area Afternoon: K and J Supermarket Rest. - everyone Tuesday 01.05.2007 (holiday) Breakfast apartment Kids club - mini-tennis ↓ 09.15-10.15 K ↓ G 10.15-11.15 ↓ Madeleine and Ella * Get camera Lunch → apartment RAIN Kids club beach, sunglasses Ice cream 13:30 → 15:00 ish Kids club? 15.15 ? time not so good ? G tennis lessons - ok High tea 16:30 ? recreational area Restaurant? object tennis No Russell, Evie felt ill (5D) Russ remained in apartment Food was brought up Wednesday - 02.05.2007 Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning RAIN Kids club Tennis → postponed wet courts → Millennium K and G - meet F, D and D + / - 11.30 Kate run with Matt + / - 40 min. Get kids Lunch - apartment, recreational area Kids club G Tennis 14.30-15.30 K 15.30-16.30 tennis? tennis lesson ? G Tennis lessons 16:30 Launching speed ? object tennis High tea → recreational area Rest. - No Rachael (5B) Apartment next door - Slightly later bedtime? 24.00 → to bar after dinner Thursday 03.05.2007 - The day of the disappearance Breakfast - Apartment Comment Madeleine "Where were you (was I) when me and S cried?" Kids club, time - check registration 09.00-09.30 → 12:30 Sailing (beach) Wash M top of pyjamas - big stain Lunch? apartment? tea Tennis lesson 09.15-10.15 conversation on the grass w / Russell and Nigel (the video camera) [?] Minutes of tennis K ? get Madeleine J and Fiona (Scarlett) Then pick up S and A (? Meeting there with G) Breakfast - apartment -? balcony ? recreational area - ok Afternoon / Kids club - a bit later K Ella already there Swimming - indoors pool K and G - practice tennis then lesson and coach Dan 15.30 - 16.30 Julian appeared - continued to play with Gerry I went to run → beach (rest of the group on the beach) Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running. + / - 17.20-17.30 [Strikethrough text illegible] M very tired and quiet Since Ella was taken from the KC → beach. I was a little worried that she was sad to have been alone. (Not realised that the group had gone to the beach.) She said she was fine. She asked me to pick her up and said she was tired. I picked her up and carried her to the apartment with G and S and A Prepared bath as kids tired and men's tennis night at 18.00. I considered returning to the recreation area with the kids but decided to stay in the apartment after bath and hair wash. G men's tennis night B pyjamas Biscuits and milk for the kids - left them with this and books and games and went to take a quick bath / wash my hair. I got out of the bath and David was knocking on the patio doors. I wrapped myself in a towel and went into the living room. He asked if we wanted to go to the recreational area, since he could help me take the kids. Refused - since kids ready for bed. I dressed myself. Ate some snacks with the kids M tired - sitting on my lap - read story of MOG Brush teeth To bedroom with kids G there too - I think. [Children's music] - M telling story M removes and lowers head on pillow S + A good-night kisses for M From S and A → cots x2 K gave a good-night kiss to M Leaned the door as much as possible without closing it. Silence ? dry hair Make-up Glass of wine 20:35 → rest. First to arrive 21:00 → G, Conversation with Steve 21:30 → Matt, Carolyn (Note: Carolyn is a witness who says she heard someone calling Madeleine's name, around 21:30, as she walked back to her apartment) 22:00 → Myself, 20:40 Jane next 20:45 Matt and Rachael Russell? Detained Evie feeling sick R went for a long time Jane replaced him [Three pages with drawings] Undated, at the Hilton in Berlin Scared wants to return Fears for her fear Reality suddenly binds Never loved anyone this much (Note: this is written in the third person, as in 'he/she never loved anyone this much') Never again able to be completely happy / enjoy something. I'm sorry to be asking some of these questions, but I am sure you will understand that our despair, particularly given the lack of information and resulting helplessness, may be somewhat mitigated if it gains some trust. 1. The following people were heard? (I) teachers and all other officers of the school across the street from our apartment; (II) all staff working in the Ocean Club Tapas bar / restaurant; (III) [text cut] [...] the "reward"? (That was offered without our knowledge!) 5. How is the information from countries other than Portugal and the United Kingdom being processed? Is it being handled by local police forces in their countries of origin and then passed on to you? Is there a "route" for this information? [illegible] 6. Was significant data collected by experts in mobile phone communications? [...] 1. Inquiries - School - ok - Tapas restaurant - ok - Child maintenance - ok - Yvonne Warren - not that I know of 2. Rbt Murat? evidence? forensic results why still under strong suspicion if forensic results were negative 3. Info relative to Madeleine? no 4. Reward - OK 5. Route for information from other countries? (Translation [from English original to Portuguese] the responsibility of the 'Area of Documentation and Translation' of the Policia Judiciária)http://duartelevypt.wordpress.com/o-caso-maddie/o-diario-de-kate-mccann/ |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:14 AMCopy HTML <!-- google_ad_section_start -->
After reading the statements I have realised how important the children were to most, if not all of them. I think they had plans to watch the children (as discussed on another thread) and though Monday is the day we have not been 'told' who was not at the tapas, I am beginning to think that Monday is the day they all seem to want to avoid. Kate says that Gerry broke the shutters on Sunday and they repaired them on the Monday. We know from the 'Maintenance Order' that it was the Tuesday they were fixed, so it could have been the Monday they were broken. Did something happen to Madeleine on Monday and the reason the shutters were broken was because they were planning to use broken (or jemmied) shutters as a means of the 'abductor' entering the apartment and they were testing them out? She stated Sunday to make it appear it happened on a day which was 'normal' (which it likely was) not knowing that the Maintenance Order would be freely available to view and have it show Tuesday as the repair day (with Monday being the day they were broken)? The night Mrs Fenn heard the crying a few minutes prior to a flurry of phone activity on Kates phone...The twins may not have been in the apartment (looked after by ROB?) and knowing (according to the dogs) that Madeleine died in the apartment the crying (increasing in intensity) may very well be related and Kate (or someone) could have been in the apartment and left AFTER the crying stopped. (this would contradict a Monday death with Gerry testing the shutters for a future 'abduction' but right now its all about putting the puzzle pieces together and hoping the picture emerges in the end) Could it have been another child? Could it have been Kate in grief? (I'm sure no adult could sound like a child but always worth a thought) |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:14 AMCopy HTML Has there been any mention of the day the playground pics were taken? They look like were taken on Saturday as can be seen by the children's clothes. (a change of trousers for Madeleine) [img]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/busshoes.jpg[/img] |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:16 AMCopy HTML [quote="LJC"]I have often wondered about how accurate the creche records were? Its not as if they were 'clocking' in and out factory style, and writing a time down for drop off and collection might not have been that accurate - add a few minutes on to the actual time, take a few minutes off the actual time. I bet the creche staff did not stand over people coming and going with their children to absolutely verify the times with them, so there are bound to be discrepancies IMO over what should, because they signed as accurate, be certainties. Also, I doubt the staff at the creche could be certain of timings - I think even they could only guess what times people came and went with their children and would be relying on people to be honest about the times they write next to their signatures. I really do think it was minimal security both from the creche staff to some degree and certainly from the McCanns and unless they were caught on camera anywhere to verify timings, I don't think we will ever be certain as to what they were up to and when.[/quote] You can see how haphazardly they were kept when you see them listed here... [img]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/CrecheFinal-1.jpg[/img] |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:17 AMCopy HTML Gerry 4th May - Madeleine asked FATHER why hadnt HE gone to room when TWINS crying
Gerry May 10th - Madeleine asked MOTHER why hadn't SHE gone to room when SEAN and MADELEINE were crying Kate May 4th - Madeleine asked her MOTHER why hadn't SHE gone to the room when TWINS were crying Fiona Payne Rog -(Kate told her) Madeleine asked her MOTHER why hadnt SHE gone to the room when MADELEINE and SEAN were crying Did Madeleine ask her FATHER? Did Madeleine ask her MOTHER? Was it the TWINS crying ? Was it SEAN and MADELEINE crying? DID IT EVER HAPPEN OR IS THERE A REASON THEY NEEDED TO SAY THIS? The police interviewer seems to be asking FP about the crying on Tuesday (Mrs Fenn) and FP replies with Madeleine's comment. (McCanns stated that on Tuesday night it was Amelie crying around midnight and Madeleine came into their room and slept in there....cot was seen by cleaner in their apartment Wednesday morning but both Gerry and Kate deny it was there)
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:18 AMCopy HTML found Gerry's September 7th statement particularly interesting and am in the process of showing relevant details pertaining to his comments.
Courtesy of Maddie Case Files Team Volume IV, pages 2569 - 2578 Arguido questioning of Gerald Patrick McCann, on the 7th of September 2007, at 11 a.m. Location: CID Portimão Of British nationality, the arguido cannot speak or write Portuguese, therefore an interpreter is present, Armanda Duarte Salbany Russell, chosen by the arguida from a list provided by the Consulate. The arguido’s legal representative, Dr Carlos Pinto de Abreu, is also present. He now possesses arguida status, and the rights and duties that assist him are explained to him, and he is subject to TIR [“termo de identidade e residência”, the lowest coercion measure that is automatically applicable, and consists of stating one’s name and residence]. He fully confirms the contents of the statements that he has previously given to this Police, on two occasions, and has nothing further to add. After being made aware of the facts that befall him, he says that he wishes to make a statement. When asked if he had any responsibility or participation in the disappearance of his daughter Madeleine, he peremptorily denies this. When asked if on the night of May 1, 2007 he went to have dinner at the Tapas with Kate, he says yes.
As usual they would come and check on the children every half hour, usually alternating. They arrived at the Tapas around 20:30, Kate mobile.. 20.31.31 20.33.32 20.35.58 20.37.24 22.16.15 22.23.15 22.23.28 22.24.22 22.25.36 and then went to the apartment every half hour, until they arrived back, at around 23:00, plus or minus 10 minutes. Occasionally one of the others in the group made the check, he does not remember if this happened on the 1st. It is not true that Madeleine had been crying that night for an hour and 15 minutes, because she was not alone all that time. When questioned, he said that on the day they arrived, April 28, they removed two cots that were in their room, and placed them in Madeleine’s room. He is unable to confirm, but it could be possible, that there were 3 cribs, and they asked for one to be removed. It is not true that on a certain day they placed one crib in their room, leaving the other in Madeleine’s room.
He does not know what days were scheduled for cleaning the apartment. He now states that he also pushed the two single beds in his room together, which had been separated by a night table. He did that to transform the two beds into a double bed. Regarding the windows, he says they were normally closed, he does not know if they were locked, with the shutters also closed. Regarding Madeleine’s window he says that he made sure the shutters worked so as to darken the room for the children. On the day of arrival, he does not know if the shutters in Madeleine’s room were open, and if they were, he closed them. He did not open them again, and does not know if somebody else did. When confronted with a testimony that states having seen the shutters to that window open after their arrival, he says that it was not him who opened them. When asked about the window behind one of the sofas in the living room, he says that yes, he remembers the window but does not remember if the shutters were also closed. Regarding this sofa, he remembers it was drawn against the window. He is not sure, but thinks that this sofa was probably a bit further away from the window, and he vaguely remembers pushing it back a bit, because his children threw objects behind it, namely playing cards. When asked, he does not know if any of the children was behind the sofa or passed behind this sofa. When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room and in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn’t sleep. He thinks that he didn’t hear the crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if it was him or his wife that comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed. KATE Sept 6th When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on Tuesday night for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45 p.m., she says that is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, so she stayed to sleep with her and Gerry in their bedroom. She says that before Madeleine appeared in her bedroom, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine came into the room almost at the same time she heard the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she, or Gerry, went to the children’s room, however she asserts that Amelie cried for a short time. When asked, she says that on that night the twins slept in the bedroom where Madeleine slept, each in their own cot. Concerning his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children’s room in the bed next to the window. He doesn’t know why, but thinks it could have been because of his snoring. Also on that day, after dinner, he returned to the apartment sooner than Kate. KATE Sept 6th When asked if she ever slept in Madeleine’s bedroom, she says that such happened on the Wednesday, because she was annoyed with Gerry. He ignored her after dinner when they went to the Tapas bar, which only happened that day. She decided to retaliate by sleeping in the other bedroom, in the bed under the window. She doesn’t know if Gerry noticed this because he was sleeping when she left, and if in fact her husband was aware of this, he made no comment. Regarding this night she said that none of the children cried, which she would have noticed as she was in the room. Regarding the fact that on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast, Madeleine said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter. On that night they also checked on the children every half hour; however she thinks that 45 minutes had gone by from the time of the last check to when they arrived, as exceptionally they went to the Tapas’ bar. On this day she thinks that Gerry arrived at the apartment around 23:50 and she arrived 5 minutes later. She went to sleep in Madeleine’s room 15/20 minutes later. Before this she spent a few minutes in her bed next to Gerry. Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him through the net if he was going to continue playing. The deponent said he didn’t know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, even more so because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Concerning his previous statement, where he states that David returned half an hour later, at around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court, after dressing up for the game. When questioned, he says that Madeleine usually sleeps well at night. During the first months of her life she had some difficulties sleeping, due to feeding problems. After moving to their house in Rothley in April 2006, twice a week Madeleine woke up, left her bed and went into their room; this sometimes happened between 23:00 – 24:00 for no apparent reason, maybe because she was used to sleeping with (*** blank ****). When asked about a chart highlighting the characteristics of the children, at the house in Rothley, he says that he does in fact have such an object, where several stars show the nights when Madeleine did not get up, as she was rewarded this way. When questioned if it was therefore safe to leave Madeleine in the apartment, given the fact that she woke and got up at night, he says that this rarely happened, and then only after her parents were in bed. When questioned about whether the couple’s and the children’s life was peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple, as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins’ first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out in the evening only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate changed her work habits for reasons related to depressions. He asserts that his wife never suggested to him that at some time she had the intention of handing Madeleine into the care of a family member. When questioned, he says that he works at the Emergency Room of the hospital where he works every 15 days, however he is not usually called out at night, and if this happens then it is once for 4 days’ prevention. Kate’s specialty is general medicine, but she only works two days a week. After the birth of the twins, Kate did not work for a year, on maternity leave, and currently works part-time as mentioned above. When questioned, he states that none of his children takes any kind of medication regularly in England. When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine, for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal. When asked at what time he went to check on the children the night Madeleine disappeared, he recalls that this was around 21:04 according to his watch. He remembers that once inside the apartment he was surprised that the door to the children’s room was slightly more open than how he had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, it could have been Madeleine who had opened the door after waking and getting up, eventually to go to her parents’ room. On this occasion, the three children were lying in their beds asleep, he is sure of this. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head; he does not know if they were in the position that can be seen in the photograph attached to the files The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate, but Matt offered to go as he was going to check on his own daughter. When Matt returned to the restaurant the arguido asked him if all was well; Matt replied that all was quiet. The arguido is not absolutely sure, but he is under the impression that he asked Matt if he entered their apartment, to which Matt replied yes. The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up. He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet. He was wearing tennis shoes, blue jeans and a light brown polar top. He does not remember what Kate was wearing that night. The arguido did not take a camera and does not remember if Kate did. He does not remember if anybody in the group took any photograph that night. He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere already. He remembers that at one time the lady who lived in the apartment above theirs, went onto her balcony and asked what was going on. He does not remember specifically who replied to this lady, but he remembers that somebody spoke to her, and he admits it could have been himself. When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the bedroom shutters and window. When questioned, he says that on that night he made several phone calls, namely to two sisters, a couple of Kate’s uncles, his brother, or certainly sent him a message, father PAUL SEDDON who baptized Madeleine and married the deponent. When questioned, he says he did not get in touch with any media and does not know if anyone did. In the morning his family did contact the press. The deponent spoke of contacting the press, however he never did so. When questioned he says that it was not him who requested a priest, but rather Kate, to seek spiritual help. Regarding the disclosure of Madeleine’s photograph, he says that he gave the authorities a photograph from a digital camera, and he thinks it was Russell who printed it at the main 24-hour resort reception. He made the delivery of this, or those, pictures on A4 paper to this Police, but he is absolutely certain that he never delivered any of these photographs to the GNR. Around 19:00 this interview was interrupted for a rest period, to be recommenced at around 19:40. When questioned if the twins woke up during the searches in the apartment, he replied negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke, as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, but he can find no reason for it happening. Yet, at that moment he thought that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which they now do, and that such is part of normal development. At that point and at this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping. When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they remained inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way. While the guests and resort workers were searching, he went to the main reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After returning from the reception he went back into the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom. When asked if he has life insurance, he says that he does, and so does Kate. The children do not have any life insurance, nor are their parents, Gerry and Kate, the beneficiaries of any insurance regarding the children. When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top there is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine. When asked if in fact they went to the apartment every half hour, he says it is true, and that this was never forged to justify absences during dinner. When asked what the expression “we let her down” means, he says that it has to do with the fact that they were not present when Madeleine was abducted. It was Kate who first used this expression. During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown to him, where they can be seen signalling human cadaver odour and also human traces of blood, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure. After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odour in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact. The dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, as well, he says that he cannot explain this fact. Regarding the signalling of cadaver odour in the vehicle that was rented in late May, license plate 49-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has. Regarding the signalling of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has no explanation for this fact. When confronted with the fact that Madeleine’s DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle, and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations that had already been described before, he says that he cannot explain. When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments. When questioned, he said that he is the usual driver of the car. In addition to the deponent, the car was also driven by his wife Kate, his sister in law Sandy, and a cousin of Kate’s by the name of Michael. When asked if he has anything to add, he said that he has not seen any proof that his daughter Madeleine is dead, and therefore he will continue to search for her in the hope she is alive. He knows nothing more than what has been said. The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared. During this interview the arguido was informed of his duty to respect the secrecy of justice, as well as the consequences of not complying with it, stipulated in current law. At around 22:50 the present interview was ended. He said nothing further.<!-- google_ad_section_end --> |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:19 AMCopy HTML I agree with you on several things... I, too, think of the possibility that it was Kate crying but I haven't come to any conclusion yet... I am trying to think of a situation where Kate may not have been at tapas (quiz mistress did not see her) a couple of phone calls were made between 8.30 and 8.37 (after Gerry left?) and again 6 calls during the 15 minutes prior to the crying that Mrs Fenn heard.... Both Gerry and Kate describe Madeleine coming into their room...Gerry seems to talk about HIS bed and I believe Kate refers (somewhere) to HER bed. The next morning was when the cleaner saw a cot in their room. The picture of their room shows that only one side of their bed had been slept in after the cleaner had been in on Wednesday morning (confirming?) that Kat stayed in Madeleine's bedroom on Wednesday night? Why the cot in the room on Tuesday night though? I think the tennis pic with the balls may have been taken when (as Fiona states) Madeleine and E**a joined in with them in tennis earleir in the week. If she was playing she would probably have runners on and no hat. The picture Jane (supposedly) took of her was with a racquet... I dont think that pic is available. Although the tennis coach's witness statement of seeing Madeleine on Tuesday is the most credible to me, it is still very possible she was mistaken because of the similarity between E**a and Madeleine. Monday is definitely the day I am beginning to think is questionable for reasons already mentioned on this thread. Regarding the playground pic, it looks like it was taken on their day of arrival...Gerry changed and Madeleine had slipped on the steps probably scuffing the knees. (although they are really scuffed in the playground pic) |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:22 AMCopy HTML Pamalam has requested that the pictures of the children are not shown in open forums but she has permitted me to show the comparison on the Madeleine forum.. The link to greyscale pics o Pamalams site.. http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/GREYSCALE_SNAPS.htm Scroll down to SUNDAY to compare pics of Madeleine and E**a http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/The-Holiday/THE-HOLIDAY-SCHEDULE-with-Creche-Mobile-Times-1-775595.html Thanks David...You have just reminded me that the cleaner (describing the usage of the beds on Tuesday night) says that Madeleine's bed was not slept in....
So...Tuesday night there was ONE cot in Madeleine's bed and ONE bed (by the window?) slept in, and in the parents room there was ONE cot in the room.... Did I read that correctly? Madeleine's bed (closest to the door) was NOT slept in? |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:22 AMCopy HTML Regarding the tennis photo's I think its important to recognise there is the tennis BALLS photo (which may have been taken early in the week while the adults were playing (according to FP, Madeleine and E**a were there) where Madeleine is wearing sandals and a hat (not conducive to playing)
Also there is a picture of Madeleine with a tennis RACQUET (taken by JT?) which is not available in the files.
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:23 AMCopy HTML Tuesday night...
The bed next to the door (Madeleine's bed) was not slept in (according to the cleaner....) Was NOT slept in prior to Madeleine 'SUPPOSEDLY going into her parents bedroom to let them know Amelie was (supposedly) crying..... Madeleine was dead PRIOR to Tuesday night?
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:23 AMCopy HTML If, as it seems from the cleaners statement, that Madeleine's bed was not slept in on Tuesday night then according to the pictures taken on May 3rd it is unlikely the bed was slept in on Wednesday and Thursday either! [img]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/madeleinebedroom.jpg[/img] [quote]KATE September 6th [quote]Gerry Sept 7th If, on Wednesday, Kate originally used their bed before she left to go and use the bed in Madeleine's room under the window then it is certainly not apparent looking at the photos...it seems untouched. [img]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/Parentsbedroom.jpg[/img] Added to that.... WHY did both K and G deny a cot was in their room when the cleaner says she saw it there. If Kate slept in Madeleine's room with one cot (cleaner said the bed by the window was messy on Wednesday morning) and Gerry was in their room with the cot, where did Madeleine sleep, or was she already dead at this point? The crying that Mrs Fenn heard Tuesday night, happened for a reason and may be related to Madeleine's death. The cot may be another indication that something happened Tuesday night. Otherwise WHY would they deny it? Were the twins being looked after in another apartment? (hence no cries from them) Were Kates mobile calls related to Madeleine's death? 20.31.31 Gerry said he left for the Tapas at 8.30pm and the quiz mistress does not remember seeing Kate that night. Did Kate make these calls after Gerry left? Was she in the apartment when these calls happened? 22.16.15........Just prior to crying heard by Mrs Fenn Crying heard by Mrs Fenn from 22.30 until 23.45 Calls the following morning...(deleted from phone but show on the antenna report)
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:25 AMCopy HTML Husband of Amanda Coxon:
Dr Paul Whitaker, chemical pathologist in Leicester. KM texted Amanda, and received a return text, at 0736 on 2 May. Wiped from KM's mobile history - the first of several deletions on 2 and 3 May. (There may have been others before 2 May, but as the records have been withheld, we wouldn't know). KM rang their home number at 0605 on 4 May, and a conversation ensued for 11 minutes.
It has been pointed out to me that I may have accidentally added a comma to this sentence
I mistakenly took that as it being the bed closest to the door as opposed to the room closest to the door. Apologies. However, that does not explain how Madeleine's bed could look so tidy considering she would have slept in it on Wednesday night (after the cleaner had made it) and Thursday for two hours, although I believe the dogs and police files and that she was dead before they left for the tapas on Thursday and possibly before Wednesday night also. |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:27 AMCopy HTML At the same time I recalled seeing Amanda's husband was a pathologist, I thought I read that one of the calls was to his office. (it was to pathologist Dr Paul Whitaker on ex-directory landline...see below) <!-- google_ad_section_end -->I cannot be sure of that, but interesting if true.
Found it!.. http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm Now this is very odd. According to the PJ's analysis report re KM: "-441........., 441.......... and 441.........., because they were numbers through which were maintained relatively long conversations on the early morning of 04-05-2007 (6min47sec; 9min 45sec; 11min 42 sec)." The call I have highlighted is also listed by Arbiter in his latest report (above). It was made to an ex-directory landline in Leicester. That number belongs to Dr Paul Whitaker, a pathologist at University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust. There are two names listed on the Voters' Roll at his address - himself and an Amanda J Coxon. |
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:27 AMCopy HTML What we have so far with details earlier in thread...(and more to come)
Non committal memory Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/ Wednesday confusion
Pre-emptive comments
Discrepancies
Observed in statements
There are questions about who was and wasn't at the table on May 3rd.
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Re:Creating a Timeline by what they AVOID and not what they tell us! Date Posted:05/30/2010 3:28 AMCopy HTML I question something else....
The LACK of witnesses is amazing, considering it was fresh in their minds and probably would have been eager for their 'claim to fame' of having seen Madeleine. Where are these people? I can't yet find statements for all of the parents of the other children in her group. Jessica Berry - Neil Berry - http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/witness-statements-f167/statement-neil-berry-t8270.htm Elizabeth Naylor Alexander Mann William Totman Tia Patel Did any of these parents see Madeleine? The cleaner that saw her on Sunday is the last 'credible' statement that I can see. http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/timelines-hideho-s-research-f174/creating-a-timeline-by-what-they-avoid-and-not-what-they-tell-us-t10000-45.htm |