CdM 08-07 > So is this what the 80 files are about???

LisbonCalling · **Joined:** Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:21 pm **Posts:** 126

Sorry if already discussed:

Entre os documentos que a polícia britânica vai agora abrir ao casal McCann, na sequência da recente decisão de um tribunal superior de Londres, estão os pedidos de colaboração da Polícia Judiciária para serem apurados vários pormenores da vida em Inglaterra dos pais de Maddie e dos oito amigos que passavam férias com eles no Ocean Club da Praia da Luz.

Translation:
Among the documents that the British police will now disclose to the McCanns following the recent decision by a High Court in London, are the requests by the PJ for collaboration to determine several details of the lives in England of Maddie's parents and their 8 friends who were on holidays in the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080714072242/http://www.correiodamanha.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000010&contentid=3A38D7D2-A5B3-4410-AE67-EC8B620FC679

So did they want leads to follow to find Maddie, or did they want to know what the PJ has on them to prepare their defence?

Pussycat · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:22 pm **Posts:** 847

LisbonCalling wrote:

Sorry if already discussed:

Entre os documentos que a polícia britânica vai agora abrir ao casal McCann, na sequência da recente decisão de um tribunal superior de Londres, estão os pedidos de colaboração da Polícia Judiciária para serem apurados vários pormenores da vida em Inglaterra dos pais de Maddie e dos oito amigos que passavam férias com eles no Ocean Club da Praia da Luz.

Translation:
Among the documents that the British police will now disclose to the McCanns following the recent decision by a High Court in London, are the requests by the PJ for collaboration to determine several details of the lives in England of Maddie's parents and their 8 friends who were on holidays in the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080714072242/http://www.correiodamanha.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000010&contentid=3A38D7D2-A5B3-4410-AE67-EC8B620FC679

So did they want leads to follow to find Maddie, or did they want to know what the PJ has on them to prepare their defence?

8 friends??

bonnybraes1 · **Joined:** Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm **Posts:** 4416

Oh, well-spotted, LisbonCalling! If this is even a quarter-way accurate, it sounds far more like what Team McCann were really after...

earthspirit · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:53 pm **Posts:** 2805

sounds quite interesting

they want to know what people said about them??

just look on this and some other forums and they could have found out! lol

JillyComeLately · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:39 pm **Posts:** 4926

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If that's what the documents contain, it would be surefire proof of corruption.

The McCanns should be given NOTHING that pertains to the evidence against them until they are charged, which I believe they will be.

I rarely get angry bur I could feel the anger rising when I read the OP.

LisbonCalling · **Joined:** Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:21 pm **Posts:** 126

bonnybraes1 wrote:

Oh, well-spotted, LisbonCalling! If this is even a quarter-way accurate, it sounds far more like what Team McCann were really after...

yeah, I don't see how this will help bring Madeleine home... Sounds unhelpful and ludicrous >:)

And yeah, do we have the Tapas 10 now? 8-}

pear · **Joined:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:24 pm **Posts:** 2173

It doesn't make sense.

bugalugs1970 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:11 pm

Can't the PJ object.....have the files already passed hands......WTF this is madness.

Surely charges must be forthcoming if the Portuguese Attorney remains silent, he must deem this as unimportant......silence speaks volumes......DOESN'T IT...

pennylane · **Joined:** Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:30 pm **Posts:** 574

Bingo! Thank you for this Lisboncalling. I knew there was something important in those files, I just didn't know what. Clarence Mitchell is the one spreading the news that these 81 files hold nothing they haven't already seen. What does that tell you?

A very sleazy underhanded deal has been done right under everyone's nose imo.

scotbot · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:46 pm **Posts:** 876

pennylane wrote:

Clarence Mitchell is the one spreading the news that these 81 files hold nothing they haven't already seen. What does that tell you?

A very sleazy underhanded deal has been done right under everyone's nose imo.

Well observed. Never underestimate CM's ability to polish a turd.

JillyComeLately · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:39 pm **Posts:** 4926

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pear wrote:

It doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense to me either.

Posters who are saying that Mitchell said that they had already seen what was going to be handed to them by Leicester police are wrong!

Mitchell very reluctantly had to admit that maybe some of it might already be known by them but that was only because Dermot Monahan put the question to him and pressed him to answer. He was clearly annoyed at being pressed on that point and tried to gloss over it by saying that the solicitors didn't keep records of the calls at the time and so there would be many new leads that they weren't aware of before.

mickahoine · **Joined:** Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:39 am **Posts:** 377

doesnt make sense!!the reason the files where released was because the people had already
CONTACTED the mccanns
i must admit i always thought the case was about stopping this sort of info getting into PJ hands
and while this would fit my ideas,it doesnt ring true,
not if the transcript of court is correct
which i believe it is,thanks to forum members.

just listening · **Joined:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:09 pm **Posts:** 808

I suspect the most interesting response to that request would be if Kate did or did not come into contact with 6 dead bodies before her holiday. But she already knows what the answer would have been to that question. Now she will know that they know too.

If you know what I mean?

MsMarbles · **Posted:** Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:28 pm

Thanks for posting that up, LisbonCalling. Thank goodness there are some very observant, astute forum members on this site.

rammy · **Joined:** Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:22 am **Posts:** 983

So it's not about their daughter. 81 files on their mates??
Or have I read it wrong.

Pogacsa · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 119

If the PJ knew nothing about this deal (as alleged), how on would CdeM find out what was being handed over? It's playing to a receptive audience who want to hear these sorts of things but I really don't believe a word of it.

scotbot · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:46 pm **Posts:** 876

just listening wrote:

I suspect the most interesting response to that request would be if Kate did or did not come into contact with 6 dead bodies before her holiday. But she already knows what the answer would have been to that question. Now she will know that they know too.

If you know what I mean?

Agreed.

It benefits them to know what defence they need to create.

But it is possible they'll only end up further confusing themselves and contradicting their previous statements, which is no bad thing IMO.

Tanszi · **Joined:** Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:48 pm **Posts:** 62

If I understand this then, it is Cdm that are saying the PJ asked for information on the lives of K and G and their 8 friends, and it is this information which is being given to them in the LP files. Is that right? The order from the Judge says details, contact name and telephone number, and not details of information given. So would K and G have access to the information which was gathered about them and given to the PJ?

It also seems that there were 10 people there that night is that also right?

bundleman · **Joined:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:17 pm **Posts:** 13

Sounds to me like a bit of a war has broken out between the PJ and Leicestershire police.

scotbot · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:46 pm **Posts:** 876

Tanszi wrote:

If I understand this then, it is Cdm that are saying the PJ asked for information on the lives of K and G and their 8 friends, and it is this information which is being given to them in the LP files.

>> Strathclyde Police investigated the McCanns <<

aura2312 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:33 pm **Posts:** 142

Quote:

Among the documents that the British police will now disclose to the McCanns following the recent decision by a High Court in London, are the requests by the PJ for collaboration to determine several details of the lives in England of Maddie's parents and their 8 friends who were on holidays in the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

How on earth can it be legal/ethical to let them see tht sort of stuff, that was probably told to the police in confidence.

This is going to cause no end of legal problems I think, people will be scared to give info/statements in the future. Knowing that what they say may end up in the hands of 'suspects' of a crime.

Brit Abroad · **Joined:** Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:58 am **Posts:** 858

Pussycat wrote:

LisbonCalling wrote:

Sorry if already discussed:

Entre os documentos que a polícia britânica vai agora abrir ao casal McCann, na sequência da recente decisão de um tribunal superior de Londres, estão os pedidos de colaboração da Polícia Judiciária para serem apurados vários pormenores da vida em Inglaterra dos pais de Maddie e dos oito amigos que passavam férias com eles no Ocean Club da Praia da Luz.

Translation:
Among the documents that the British police will now disclose to the McCanns following the recent decision by a High Court in London, are the requests by the PJ for collaboration to determine several details of the lives in England of Maddie's parents and their 8 friends who were on holidays in the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080714072242/http://www.correiodamanha.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000010&contentid=3A38D7D2-A5B3-4410-AE67-EC8B620FC679

So did they want leads to follow to find Maddie, or did they want to know what the PJ has on them to prepare their defence?

8 friends??

The wording says requests by the PJ for collaboration to determine several details of the lives in England of Maddie's parents and their 8 friends. It does not say that the documents to be handed over will include any information that may have been obtained as a result of these REQUESTS.

Can we believe that anything of real importance will have been handed over to the McCanns?

Extract from Address by Tim Scott QC to the High Court of Justice on 07 July 2008, in open Court:

The first part of the Order recites that the Chief Constable of Leicestershire has agreed to provide by today a document in accordance with Paragraph 50 of the Skeleton Argument which
has been presented to the Court on his behalf. That Paragraph is at 34.
It says that the Chief Constable is currently preparing a document which will provide the parents with the contact details of persons that have been forwarded to the investigation by the parents or those acting for them. [color=#0000FF]This document will also contain a brief resume of the information that it is believed the person informed the parents or those acting for them that they wished to pass on to the investigation.

I said earlier that this is an important but limited amount of the information which Gerry and Kate had hoped to obtain. I would like to explain why it is important. Although the Leicestershire Constabulary were quick to set up a major incident room and to provide a telephone number which anyone with information could call, there was a period of time before this became widely known.

During that time Gerry and Kate’s solicitor, Ms Ann Thomas of The International Family Law Group, who sits in front of me, had already been retained. Her firm’s number was publicised and a large number of people called in. All of these callers were given the number which the Leicestershire Constabulary had set up for the purpose. The solicitors thought it right that the police should be receiving it. In fact with few exceptions the solicitors did not even retain any notes on what the callers were saying or even their contact details.

So what the Chief Constable is now voluntarily providing is the contact details and a summary of the information provided by a substantial number of people who were among the first to try to help the investigation. It is because these were on the whole people who came forward to volunteer information in the period immediately after the abduction that it is likely that the information which they provided will be most helpful.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080714072242/http://www.iflg.uk.com/documents/7_july_08_address.pdf

librarising · **Joined:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:16 pm **Posts:** 1268

Brit Abroad wrote:

The wording says requests by the PJ for collaboration to determine several details of the lives in England of Maddie's parents and their 8 friends. It does not say that the documents to be handed over will include any information that may have been obtained as a result of these REQUESTS.

Thanks Brit. Now it makes sense. CdeM found a way of creating a bit of sensation.

just listening · **Joined:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:09 pm **Posts:** 808

Brit Abroad wrote:

It does not say that the documents to be handed over will include any information that may have been obtained as a result of these REQUESTS.

Can we believe that anything of real importance will have been handed over to the McCanns?

No I don't think so Brit Abroad, I just thought they might have a bit of fun by including the answers they got re the 6 bodies, let's face it there can be no surprise to the Mc's in the most likely answers they received on that one. =))

Jeanne d'Arc · **Joined:** Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:25 pm **Posts:** 132

Either they are trying to seperate the 2 police forces or the pressure to cover something up has risen.

Nothing here is normal police procedures, not informing their colleagues and handing over potentially important material.

I remember from the MF days that there was an investigation into their lifes quite early on.

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