Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: British Police Don't Have Evidence/Suspicion of Major Crime
Insight from another post.
1/ The Twins have not been removed from the McCanns 2/ Social Services are required to removes children at risk of Major Abuse 3/ British Police are required to share any such evidence with Social Services.
THerefore, whatever British Police know or suspect about this case, it is not weighty enough to result in removal of the Twins.
To give an example:
If the PJ had provided the British Police with EVIDENCE or WELL FOUNDED SUSPICION of Manslaughter or murder or concealing a body after an accident, then the British Police would have been required to share this with Social Services.
If Social Services were notified of this, they would be almost certain to remove the Twins.
This does not indicate how good the PJ 'evidence' is, but it does show that either:
1/ The evidence is low quality 2/ The evidence has not been shared with the British Police.
I thought that the evidence had been shared with the U.K. Police, they were in P.D.L. for a lot of the time. So it follows that the evidence must be low quality.
[quote="Fretful_Porpentine"][quote="Hare"]or 3/ Social services are acting negligently
It has happened in the past, but unfortunately they very rarely learn the lessons from their previous failings.[/quote]
or 4/ The British police have not passed the evidence on to the Social Services[/quote]
They are required by law to hand over such evidence as it relates to Child Protection. If it is not done it is an offence by the individual, even if the superior believes it not to be appropriate to hand over the information. This requirement over-rides most criminal confidentiality and all medical confidentiality rules.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: British Police Don't Have Evidence/Suspicion of Major Cr
[quote="RogerRamjet"]Insight from another post.
1/ The Twins have not been removed from the McCanns 2/ Social Services are required to removes children at risk of Major Abuse 3/ British Police are required to share any such evidence with Social Services.
THerefore, whatever British Police know or suspect about this case, it is not weighty enough to result in removal of the Twins.
To give an example:
If the PJ had provided the British Police with EVIDENCE or WELL FOUNDED SUSPICION of Manslaughter or murder or concealing a body after an accident, then the British Police would have been required to share this with Social Services.
If Social Services were notified of this, they would be almost certain to remove the Twins.
This does not indicate how good the PJ 'evidence' is, but it does show that either:
1/ The evidence is low quality 2/ The evidence has not been shared with the British Police.[/quote]
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you can believe what you want
at this stage it isn't the british police that are taking the investigation to the courts.
i'm glad you have such faith in social services in this country because i don't
just as an aside after the tea and sandwiches chat between social services the twins faces have been obscured from any press/media attention which would suggest some intervention on their part
also given the level of police 'protection' the mccanns house is receiving ( panic buttons, police presence in their street etc) it is also concievable that social services are satisfied they are not in imminent danger and have allowed them to remain with their parents
whether this is a wise idea or the right desicion remains to be seen, i hope and pray it is
you and i also have no way of knowing any conditions imposed by SS about the twins welfare eg. that they are with a responsible adult at all times other than their parents
this is a high profile case where no side wants to be seen to make the wrong desicion so instead of proudly tumpeting that the police etc cannot have any evidence i would suggest we wait and see the eventual outcome of this sad and sorry case
and hope whatever happens that the twins are indeed in safe care
[quote="Hare"]or 3/ Social services are acting negligently
It has happened in the past, but unfortunately they very rarely learn the lessons from their previous failings.[/quote]
Social Service Negligence is almost always casued by overwork of junior staff, unmonitored by their line manager who is also over worked. Cases are dealt with by junior staff who make errors and situations escalate.
I strongly suspect that this case (being in the public eye, and with Solicitors and Police involved already) is being handled by a senior social worker with clout and PR advice!
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: British Police Don't Have Evidence/Suspicion of Major Cr
[quote="RogerRamjet"]If Social Services were notified of this, they would be almost certain to remove the Twins.[/quote] _____________________________________________
agree with this one, somehow...
more likely this will make the follow-up scandal then...
[quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="Fretful_Porpentine"][quote="Hare"]or 3/ Social services are acting negligently
It has happened in the past, but unfortunately they very rarely learn the lessons from their previous failings.[/quote]
or 4/ The British police have not passed the evidence on to the Social Services[/quote]
They are required by law to hand over such evidence as it relates to Child Protection. If it is not done it is an offence by the individual, even if the superior believes it not to be appropriate to hand over the information. This requirement over-rides most criminal confidentiality and all medical confidentiality rules.[/quote]
I don't doubt the obligation in law. I was merely pointing out a hole in the logic.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: British Police Don't Have Evidence/Suspicion of Major Cr
[quote="sentinel"][quote="RogerRamjet"]Insight from another post.
1/ The Twins have not been removed from the McCanns 2/ Social Services are required to removes children at risk of Major Abuse 3/ British Police are required to share any such evidence with Social Services.
THerefore, whatever British Police know or suspect about this case, it is not weighty enough to result in removal of the Twins.
To give an example:
If the PJ had provided the British Police with EVIDENCE or WELL FOUNDED SUSPICION of Manslaughter or murder or concealing a body after an accident, then the British Police would have been required to share this with Social Services.
If Social Services were notified of this, they would be almost certain to remove the Twins.
This does not indicate how good the PJ 'evidence' is, but it does show that either:
1/ The evidence is low quality 2/ The evidence has not been shared with the British Police.[/quote]
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you can believe what you want
at this stage it isn't the british police that are taking the investigation to the courts.
it is with a portugese prosecutor.[/quote]
And it has twice been suggested by the Prosecutors that the evidence at the time of their statements was not up to placing charges.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject:
More often than not, the social services and the police know full well of what is happening in certain families but for what reasons never act until its too late.
The case which comes to mind is of the little girl from sheffield, who suffered appalling abuse at the hands of her parents.
Social services, and i believe the police, visited the house on numerous occasions, (the little girl was locked up upstairs), the neighbours apparently reported the couple, and the couple were well known to the social services.
But, the little girl was still left with her appalling parents.
The whole saga ended with the death of the little girl, and the parents been sent to prison.
So, yes, Social Services are required to remove children at risk of Major Abuse, but in the vast majority of instances, the children get let down and get lost in the system, thus resulting in more abuse at the hands of the abuser.
I started the thread today asking about why the twins had Not been taken into care....
When as many people, certainly on here, believe that the McCanns murdered their daughter.......or even killed her through negligent homicide..........
I can think of another reason why the McCanns have been allowed to "carry on" as normal......and it has nothing to do with a lack of evidence...........nor is it to do with Social Services being poweless to act.......it also explains why the investigation is taking so long........and that is, becasue this is an ongoing police operation.........and they want the McCanns "out and free" so they can be observed.......so to learn their "plan".......a reason "why"........
Sadly, this forum is more and more dominated by closed minds, who are absolutley certain of the McCanns innocence, or 100% certain of their guilt in death or murder...... and so it is difficult to eeven discuss the obvious "possibilities"........
I am amused though...that the people who got conned about the abduction in the frist place...all based on press reports..........and who all came here saying they would never trust the press again......are now 100% convinced of McCanns guilt in the death of Maddy.....all based on unofficial leaks.....to the press....that they said they would never trust......again.......and on we go.......lol.
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