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Rachael Rogatory

DAVID PAYNE


00:29:04 1485 "Okay, tell me about your room.”
Reply "Okay.”
1485 "Where it was, or…”
Reply "We, yeah we were, we were slightly different to the other three apartments err we were, we were upstairs err we, you know the other parties were all err in the apartments downstairs, err you went in through the, you know, the door into the apartment which took you into the living area. Err in the living area slightly to the right was the dining room, all open plan, and there was a patio doors you know which led out to the balcony. Err if you turned right immediately into the apartment there was the, err the kitchen, err if you went into the main living area and turned left that took you to the, err bedrooms and the bathroom. The first on the left was one of the bedrooms as you’re walking along and then you had, going in an anticlockwise direction, there was the, err the bathroom and then the next room you know anticlockwise was the other bedroom. Err and then there was the, obviously the lounge part, there was the television, there was err, err a sofa in there which was a sofa bed which is where Dianne err slept and I say then there was a balcony with a sliding doors which led out to the balcony. Err so that’s pretty much the, the apartment.”
00:30:33 1485 "How good are you at sketching?”
Reply "Err, not very good.”
1485 "Otherwise it’s just a brief like birds-eye view floor plan of when you come in.”
Reply "Okay. So if you were walking through the door err here, which you opened, as you walk in here the kitchen would have been just here, and there was a doorway just leading in, into the kitchen. This was part of the dining room, you know you’ve got the sliding doors which were, you know just situated here, this was the, err where the dining room table was. You had the err lounge part here, there was a television just over, you know, in the corner here and there’s another chair about there and then I think there’s the sofa was over here. Err there was a err piece of furniture like a dresser or a side cabinet there, as you came along here, I’ve drawn this bit wrong.”
1485 "It’s alright.”
Reply "The, the, yeah the first bedroom would have been you know kind of here. Then you had the bathroom which was here and then you had the next bedroom was here, so the doorways were in there, no sorry there and there into the bedrooms, yeah.”
1485 "Yeah?”
Reply "Yeah.”
1485 "I’ve got the gist of that.”
Reply "But that’s, yeah so.”
00:32:07 1485 "Just mark on what rooms they are, you say that’s the kitchen.”
Reply "So that’s the kitchen there, that’s the dining room, that’s kind of the lounge there, that’s the balcony, err so that’s bedroom one, that’s the bathroom, that’s bedroom two.”
1485 "Okay so we have bedroom one and we have bedroom two.”
Reply "Yes.”
1485 "Which bedroom did your children sleep in?”
Reply "Err in…”
1485 "Or which did you designate for them to sleep in?”
Reply "Yeah we had err L*** err was in bedroom one and…”
1485 "That’s the one nearest to that door there.”
Reply "That’s correct.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "And Scarlet was staying in with us in bedroom two. Err and as I say Dianne was in the lounge err on a, on a, you know the sofa bed.”
00:33:11 1485 "Right. The door, the outside door that you entered, what sort of a door was that?”
Reply "Err…”
1485 "Sorry, weird question really.”
Reply "Yes, yes.”
1485 "How did it lock, and…”
Reply "Yes.”
1485 "Was it secure?”
Reply "Err you needed, yeah once the door was shut, you know you needed the keys to, you know to gain entry err into the apartment. Err I can’t remember whether we ever had, you know whether you can deadlock it so that you could get in and out with the door open, but essentially you needed the key you know, to use, if I remember to gain access into the, err into the apartment, and you know generally it was difficult because there was, you know we’d ask about more than one key, there was the only one key to the apartment so during the day time you know we left the key under the, the err there was a mat err outside, err you know that you wipe your feet on, and err you know that’s, that’s basically how we gained entry into it during the day time.”
00:34:18 1485 "And your pat, you say your patio doors.”
Reply "Mm.”
1485 "So you were on, upstairs?”
Reply "We were.”
1485 "Is that the first floor or the second floor?”
Reply "Err so ground floor is obviously the floor where you’re walking around.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "And then you went up one flight of stairs err to what I would call the first floor.”
1485 "Okay, and how was that door accessed?”
Reply "Err I mean essentially you know as you came out of the apartment we were quite close to err a lift err and you know stairs at the side so you virtually come out of that lift or at the stairs and then you would go into that apartment, but there was access err to other apartments with a walk way generally along the side.”
1485 "Yeah, and once you’d got outside, what’s the scenario outside?”
Reply "Err I mean if you, you’re coming out of the apartment through the err front door you, you know as I say you were close to the lift and elevator. If you went to the side of that there was you know like a balcony that you could then look on err you know out on the car park err and then you could see you know the main road, you know, beyond that and then there was err some other apartments that you could make out you know which were a reasonable distance away but you could, you know, see, you know you could make out people at that distance. Err and that was essentially it.”
00:35:42 1485 "Okay. I’ve got another sketch for you to draw now but I’m not looking for anything to Rolf Harris.”
Reply "Yeah.”
1485 "Just a birds-eye view of your apartment.”
Reply "Yes.”
1485 "In relation to the rest of your group.”
Reply "Right. This…”
1485 "I know that you say that you’re upstairs and they’re downstairs.”
Reply "Yeah.”
1485 "If you could just sort of do a block of upstairs.”
Reply "Yeah.”
1485 "And then do a block of downstairs and then pinpoint where they were, if you see what I mean.”
Reply "Okay, yeah. So, I mean, if you, if that was the end of the block and this is the ground, err sorry this is the upstairs.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "So I’ve got first floor on that. The err so if you were out on the balcony here.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "I mean it was slightly difficult because you were , you know, you couldn’t quite see down below, whether, sorry, then if this is the ground floor err block. It’s obviously it’s very easy to remember that err Kate and Gerry’s apartment was right you know at the end.”
1485 "Yes.”
Reply "Of there. There was certainly a gap in between one of the apartments and I can’t remember whether that gap was in between err Kate and Gerry’s and Matt and Rachael’s, or that whether it was between Matt and Rachael’s and Russell and Jane’s but essentially you know, this, sorry I’ll just draw these on, so that’s the front, that’s the front, err Russ and Jane’s were the closest to us so you know they were directly below.”
1485 "Yes.”
Reply "Then Matt and Rachael, so, so Russ and Jane, so Matt and Rachael were either next door to Russ and Jane or there was a gap in between and then you had Kate and Gerry’s, you know at the end, but I can’t really give it any more...”
1485 "Yeah that’s fine, that’s fine.”
Reply "Yeah, so…”
00:37:52 1485 "So the rear then, which is that side there.”
Reply "Yes, yeah.”
1485 "Have you got the pool in front of you then?”
Reply "Yes, I mean look, looking, err looking out err the pool err was slightly off to the side but you know kind of that angle err but you know we had very good vision err of the pool and people.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "Err you know by the side of the pool and err yeah and in between obviously the, the apartments there was the back of the apartments where they you know you could walk out at which part of the apartment and then there was the walk where the alley way which you know then separated the block from the Ocean Club. Err so we generally, if I chatted to anyone it wasn’t usually when they were in the garden below us it was more, they would be either walking you know we’d be sat on the balcony and someone would walk by or someone was at the pool and we’d have a conversation, kind of thing.”
00:38:48 1485 "Yeah. Just jumping back, I’ve got a little bit ahead of myself, the listening service I understand that you made your own arrangements in relation to listening, child listening?”
Reply "Yeah.”
1485 "What’s the circumstances regarding your listening arrangements?”
Reply "Err we, yeah, had err got a digital monitor which you know we obviously we used back, back home. Err yeah it was very good, it was very foolproof, we were very happy with the monitor. Err it’s quite a high tech monitor, you could play tunes at the other end of the monitor and so you know when err Scarlet was very little we had that option to use that. So you know we had chatted about what we felt was you know reasonably err you know safe, and we say safe in the perspective of you know both our children at that stage were in cots, you know I think the two main things that you would be concerned about or you know obviously not retrospectively now but certainly before the holiday was whether the child was gonna wake up crying you or whether the child could get you know away from the area where they were. So from our point of view we thought well they’re both in cots, they can’t get out their cots and the monitor you know covered the crying issue. Err the monitor we checked you know that it worked and that you could hear you know from that distance err there’s, I think there’s a fail safe on it if it loses signal it start, you know the distance between the base and the err mobile unit err you know, you, you get red lights showing that there is, you know that the reception is being lost. So you know we did chat you know right from the beginning whether we felt that was, you know that was reasonable and in our assessment we felt that was reasonable. Err you know we, we generally stayed err in the room, no sorry in the apartment until the children you know had fallen asleep, you know and then, you know we did all go down together and err so yeah there was occasions where you could hear something perhaps on the monitor in the room while you were you know over in the Tapas area. Err so you know on the whole we, you know, we were happy…”
1485 "You were okay with that?”
00:41:22 Reply "With that, that scenario”.
1485 "Where did you, where did you place the intercom when you went?”
Reply "Err the, obviously with the, the map of the, err the rooms err you know we, we tended to leave the doors open of the two rooms and we either left them, you know, usually left the monitor here. Err I can’t remember exactly where the plug point was but usually because we were, you know, if anyone was gonna cry it was more likely gonna be Scarlet but you could hear.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "You know but the, the distance between the two rooms is nothing.”
1485 "Yes.”
Reply "And err you know so it was virtually slightly closer to bedroom two but certainly you know, no, no distance at all from bedroom one.”
1485 "Mm.”
Reply "You know there were, you know the, the, the, you know as I say the quality of the err listening monitor was, you could set the sensitivity of it to you know whatever you wanted and you know we obviously had it on maximum sensitivity and there was no concern about you know we weren’t gonna hear them when they were crying.”
00:42:38 1485 "What about the sliding doors in the apartment, what were they like?”
Reply "Err the sliding doors were a slight, they were slightly difficult to lock and that was you know one of our concerns err when we were there and it was, it was quite temperamental whether you could open them or, or, or lock them, and err yeah especially you know sometimes we had the other children coming up there so it was difficult but there was someone on the balcony or if their children were to you know venture out we would keep an eye and you know explain to them that they shouldn’t be out on the balcony you know without an adult present. Err but obviously we tried to keep the err door shut when no-one was out on the balcony and err open if there’s someone sat out there keeping an eye on them. Err the way it opened and locked was again I think it was err like a, a, a lat, you know like a lever which went up and down and I just remember it not being the most easy to err work out how to shut and, a bit temperamental.”
1485 "Mm.”
Reply "So err you know so that was probably one of the slight difficulties with that room.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "You know, being on the first floor.”
1485 "Did any of the internal doors have any locks on?”
Reply "Err the bathroom did but I can’t remember the, whether the bedrooms did or not.”
00:44:11 1485 "Okay. So the picture I was painting there was just to get a, for me to get a view really of…”
Reply "Yes.”
1485 "Of what you were faced with when you got your apartment.”
Reply "Yes.”
1485 "Do you remember what number your apartment was?”
Reply "Err four G? I don’t know, I don’t know. I probably would have said, well hopefully I would have said on my previous statement you know.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "But four, you know…”
1485 "It’s what you can remember now.”
Reply "Four G kind of rings a bell but I wouldn’t certainly, you know.”