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There has been a focus on May 3rd after 5.30pm.

For those posters that believe that theory I respect you opinions and my comments about discrepancies in the week may not be of interest to you..

For those that wonder what and why there are discrepancies when none or few should have been necessary during the week of the holiday, this thread is for your information to decide for yourself.

Whether this list has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance depends on some criteria.

If you believe every witness statement that Madeleine was seen alive on May 3rd then this thread may not be worthwhile to read.

If you believe that in February 2009 when Goncalo Amaral told kazlux that Madeleine was in the creche May 3rd 2007 (perhaps according to Catriona's statement) and that he studied the Rogatory statements and his opinion could not have changed since then, this thread may not be worthwhile to read.

If you believe that the McCanns are covering up her death that happened on May 3rd and the Smith sighting was Gerry carrying her body through the streets to hide it, then this thread is not for you.

If, however, you see some strange things happening throughout the week that create a question as to why statements would contradict each other (memory lapses aside) and why many statements particularly on May 3rd DURING THE DAY exist then you may appreciate this thread.

I have made it clear on other threads that although witness statements exist, I have found questions as to the validity of EVERY ONE!

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Regardless of the concern about Catriona, and I do not believe her to be any more than someone who was brought into this accidentally, and probably a very nice person, I question her statements on more than one level.

Her initial statements in May barely mentioned anything about Madeleine apart from she never saw her scared.

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at no time did the little girl seem sad or unsatisfied, having produced no comments whatsoever about being angry, sad about anyone or discontented at anything.


Her Rogatory interview mentioned that she was scared when she was sailing.

Quote:
she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap “I am scared, I am scared.”



Why would she go out of her way to mention about being scared and contradict in the Rogatory by saying she WAS scared?

Not enough to question her 'credibility'?

In her Rogatory interview about high tea she describes Kate wearing athletic clothes, she thinks Gerry was playing tennis.

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Kate picked Madeleine up at the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she had been practising athletics. It was around 15h35/18h00. I think that Gerry was playing tennis.


Both Gerry and Kate claim they were there at high tea as Madeleine was very tired and had to be carried back to the apartment.

She 'thinks' means she doesn't remember specifically that Gerry was there? Were Gerry and Kate lying about both being there? Who carried Madeleine home? Just Kate with the twins?

Why could she remember specifics about Kate's clothes and Gerry playing tennis and yet not remember who picked Madeleine up that lunchtime and who dropped her off in the afternoon?

Quote:
-I do not remember who came to pick her up for lunch that day,

-Around 14h45 Madeleine returned to the Minis Club above the reception but I do not remember who accompanied her.


Was she watching the other children and didn't see them sign her in?

Was she there when Kate signed the register to say she was taking Madeleine out of the creche for lunch or was the register signed without her knowledge?

Kate and Fiona claim that they picked Madeleine up.

Kate claims she went to the apartment to prepare lunch.

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KATE Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine’s creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne.
She signed the register and went to the twins’ creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him


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Kate
Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes


Gerry claims Kate went to the apartment first and he went to pick up Madeleine as he remembers taking the shortcut.

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GERRY At 12H00, together with KATE, as he recalls it, she made lunch and he went to get MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.


Creche records
Kate, picked her up at 12.25pm

Fiona claims she was sat by the pool with Kate and then the went to pick Madeleine up.

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FIONA PAYNE

“When did you see Kate and Gerald on Thursday, so when was the first time that you saw Kate and Gerry on the Thursday?”
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“It would have been sort of late morning when we’d got back from our sailing and we got changed, got some warm things on and we were just sat on the sun loungers by the pool, erm, just having a drink and Kate and Gerry appeared, we offered them a drink, I think they turned down,

--FP - And then it was time to pick up the kids, so Kate and I walked from the Tapas area over to the main reception, going between, you know, there was a sort of path that went between the other Ocean Club complex as well along the road, erm, and she picked up Madeleine and I picked up Scarlet and then we walked back together and that was the only day we ever did, ever did that. Erm,

and then when we got back they, you know, Kate too Madeleine to their apartment for lunch and, erm, I went up to ours for lunch.



Was Gerry telling the truth?

Was Kate telling the truth

Was Fiona telling the truth?

Why doesn't Catriona remember?

Did she not speak to them? Did she not pass the time of day?

Was she busy with the children and didn't know they arrived or dropped Madeleine off later?

Maybe the answers lie in her ACTUAL statement as opposed to the generic third party equivalent that we have been given on the DVD.

Are we naive to think that all the details of their interview are released for our perusal?

The cleaner's statement does not mention about cleaning the shutters and yet Goncalo Amarel claims that she cleaned them on Wednesday. Clearly something that was not revealed in her statement. How much other information from every witness has not been released?

Catriona met with the McCanns the day before her first statement and again in November she went to Rothley after they sent her an 'invitation'.

Going back to May 3rd morning, which should not be relevant with something happening AFTER 5.30pm.

There was a mini tennis with the other group of Madeleine's age between 10 and 11am (10.30-11.00 on the tennis forms) an at the SAME TIME Madeleine's group was taken to the beach for sailing.

Jane Tanner claims that both she and ROB were down at the beach and saw Madeleine and E**a and (from memory) took a picture of E**a.

Was Madeleine in that picture? If so, and I could see it, I would consider 'shelving' the discrepancy list because it would show Madeleine alive on May 3rd and discrepancies, though of value, would not have the importance.

So while Jane (an Catriona) confirms that both she and ROB were down at the beach, ROB claims they were both at mini tennis which was at the same time as the sailing!

Which one of them was correct and if there is a discrepancy WHY is there a discrepancy?

Rachael, however, claims she saw Madeleine playing tennis.

Madeleine was playing tennis on Tuesday, and, at a stretch I could see her getting the days mixed up BUT she claims this was the last time she saw Madeleine.

When questioned by the police she claimed they played on a different court to the one they were allocated to. (they played on court 2 according to the records, Rachel described court 1)

Why couldn't she remember that if she was there? How difficult is it to 'visualise' the last time she saw Madeleine and which court she played on?

Did she get the day wrong? That would mean that the last time she saw Madeleine was on Tuesday!

There are lots of other 'questions' about the week...generically quoted in the OP, but if one takes time to look at each one and wonder whether they were questionable, or whether all of them are understandably attributed to a 'mistake' in their statements, I leave that for you to decide.

(Keeping in mind there are more 'inconsistencies' as I put each timeline together.)

If they an be considered an effort to confuse the truth about that holiday then one has to wonder WHY?

One would expect that a normal holiday, where everyone wanted to be lodged nearby, would have shown Gerry and Kate and the children sharing time together with the other couples even if just in the afternoon, especially if the rates for the children in the creche are similar to the Greek prices which were 180 pounds for each child just for the afternoon! 540 pounds just for the afternoons?

I have no confirmation whether that is true for PdL.

If something DID happen earlier in the week then I can see that denying the twins a 'nap' in the afternoon and sending them to the creche would have been important.

Did they go for only half a day on Sunday? Is that what they were planning for the rest of the week so the cost would be 360 pounds as opposed to 720 pounds for all day every day?

On Monday they were signed in at 3.25 (for little more than 1 hour) for the afternoon and not signed out?

Nothing adds up and there are many questions....

That is for those of us that are not comfortable with accepting 5.30pm May 3rd onwards being the time that something happened to Madeleine.

Unless and until I see something to confirm, without question, that Madeleine was alive on May 3rd I will continue to look at the comparison between each statement and continue to ask WHY there is such confusion and possible lies.

What was everyone of the T9 trying to hide, long before 5.30pm on May 3rd?
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