AFTER? Theory - Accidental Death

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FROM BREN

This is a theory and based on my own personal opinion on what I have read and seen from various newspapers and police files.

Personalities

Kate McCann

Pushed by mother, controlled by mother, loved father but father was weak and never stood up to mother. A lonesome child, only friends were at school and jealous of other people. Wanted to be like other kids but mother pushed and pushed for her to do well. She felt she never lived up to her mothers expectations and whatever she did was not good enough. Petrified of bringing shame on parents. Left home and was free from being controlled, went wild during her time away at Uni. Mother knew this and even though she did well mother could have told her if she had not been so harem-scarem she could have achieved much more. Also came from a religious family but even that she let her mother down on because she was not religious enough. Kate always wanted a relationship with her mum where they did things together, that is why when Madeleine was born she was determined to have that relationship (hence the referral to Madeleine being a friend).

Kate was a GP, she wanted to work, it was her independence away from the mundane life she had. At work she was treated with respect and well thought of, appreciated, a woman in her own right. If she stayed at home she would have nothing, only baby talk and dirty nappies something Gerry did not have an interest in. Everything had to be about him.

Gerry McCann

Arrogant, power crazy, control freak, narcissistic, would tread on everyone and everybody to get where he wanted. Male chauvinist, child rearing was women's work, his job was to earn the money. Unhelpful at home, what he said went and could not stand anyone that was weak, could have a violent temper (as shown in the interview outside Court and ripping his mike off interview).

Madeleine McCann

Amended paragraph about Madeleine not to cause offence

IVF baby, could have been spoilt rotten because of them never expecting to have anymore children. Perhaps this led to what Madeleine wanted Madeleine got. Also she suffered from colic, Kate was tired and he was probably like most men semi helpful at first it was a novelty being dad but then probably his career and his desire for power and plus his mother bringing up 5 children led him to think that Kate should be able to cope. And it did last long before he reverted to his old ways. She could have also been spoilt by the Healys as she was their first grandchild, a grandchild they never thought they would have.

When the twins were born, Madeleine felt left out, her nose pushed out of place. Could be selfish and hard going, played up, wanted attention. Gerry was not much help and basically had the attitude "my mother could cope with 5 of us and you have more luxuries than she ever had".

Remember the video of Madeleine on the stairs and Sean played with her Shoe and she took it and said "my shoes" was that a sign that she was jealous of the twins and was still a problem.

Family recognised she was suffering and offered to help. I suspect it was Trish that helped mainly but Trish was getting older, still had her own family to look after and things were not getting any better, with Kate's family. The twins were now hitting the terrible two's and Madeleine was still being demanding. Trish offered to have Madeleine stay with her during the week as it stopped her having to run to and fro and Madeleine would go back at the weekends when Gerry was there. (Hence the question about guardianship in Kate's interview). Because this has been mentioned Gerry was resentful to Kate because she could not cope.

The Holiday

Jane Tanner admits she did not go much on Gerry, he was loud, Kate she was getting to know and she liked her. Fiona and David were the two people that tied this group together. David and Kate could have known each other for years and they were friends, David had a soft spot for Kate and Fiona and Dave knew the state of play with Kate's marriage to Gerry. How Kate was treated by Gerry and how Gerry was. This was probably a break or make holiday for the McCann's, Kate wanted a holiday with Gerry and family and do things together, Gerry help with the kids and quality time as a family, Gerry did not want this hence the remark (I am not here to enjoy myself). Kate then realised this holiday was going to be no different than being at home with 3 kids and Gerry expecting to be waited on hand and foot.

That night at the reception gathering of holidaymakers, when the Tennis Lessons, Sailing and activities were mentioned, Gerry then backtracked on his promise and booked himself in. Kate then decided to put the kids in creche.

Fiona had her mother there, spent most of the time with her, Kate felt left out. (will explain later).

Everything was just the same, she was dealing with the kids, Gerry doing what he wanted and this holiday was not what she had wanted or planned. On Tuesday there was Gerry sucking up to the quiz mistress, a beautiful buxom girl, Kate was probably jealous. (In Gerrys interview he said that either Monday or Tuesday Madeleine slept with Kate, his excuse because the twins woke her up). I suspect that is when the row started Tuesday night.

By Wednesday it was Kate sleeping in the children's bedroom. I suspect the row was still going on. Probably more from Gerry having digs at Kate and who knows he could have even been pushing her around (hence the bruises on her arms).

Thursday came, and it was still ongoing, she was tired, kids went to creche and Gerry was still being the same. She felt alone and unwanted and when she went jogging and then saw them on the beach enjoying themselves, something that she wanted from this holiday. That is the straw that broke the camels back. She could have gone back to the apartment, mentally and emotionally drained, tired and drank a couple glasses of wine. Could this have happened, before she knew it she was asleep?

She could have woken by noise or by someone (could have been Payne) and found Madeleine had fallen off the sofa and was dead. (Hence the referral to White and angelic looking).

A mother drinking, a child that has died and a body that they do not know how long it had been there. I would be interested to know what clothes Kate was wearing that tea-time (was it the check trousers). What could they do? Gerry was playing tennis, no phone, could have found this situation, what he should have done he did not and that was to phone the Police. Did he then sort Kate out, go back to the Tennis Courts and whisper is Gerry's ear what had happened. If he did, he broke the law and he knew it. Because you are legally and morally obligated to phone the emergency services if you find anybody deceased. That was it Payne could have been involved. (explains the Pact of Silence).

The Finding

Kate was told in no uncertain circumstances her drinking (remember this comment from Vanity Fair - Kate Healy, a deeply religious only child from Liverpool, once confided to her sister-in-law, “There were too many times when I’ve been alone,” and that solitude evidently left its mark. On meeting her in 1992 the boisterous McCanns found her, John recalls, “reserved.” (Although this reserve was apparently not impenetrable. At the University of Dundee, as the Mail on Sunday recently discovered, Kate’s nickname was “Hot Lips Healy,” and she was renowned, according to her yearbook, for leading friends astray during “alcoholic binges.” When asked about this recently by a friend, Kate groaned and said, “My God! I hope they don’t get the rest of that part of my life.”)

IMO Payne removed Madeleine, Gerry could have been staging the scene, the idea was for one of the others to find her, but it went wrong. Gerry could not force the shutters open from the outside or someone was coming and he had to stop (but that left his fingerprints on the outside - so what did he do, yes when the abduction was raised he then closed the shutter's went outside and tried them in front of witness which would have then explained his fingerprints on the outside shutters).

Kate's possibly failing, she used the words "she" and "they've" taken her because she could not bring herself to say Madeleine. The cock-up was if none of them asked which "she" she was referring to as Kate had two daughters, was it Madeleine or Amelie?

This was not pre-meditated, this was not planned but Gerry had to take control of the situation, he had too much to lose, he had just got funding and was on his way up. This could not happen to him and Payne by not phoning the emergency services there and then realised he was now involved.... (someone could have seen him enter that apartment). This was a botched plan and the spin was set into place to make it even harder to unravel.

Yes they had contacts and they used them. But once each and everyone started to realise they were helping in the cover-up of a missing child's death they were committed and had to continue.

Edited to Add

The Sighting

My opinion is that Jane did see someone and she had a very good description, but the description started to resemble the person that was moving the body. If Gerry was talking to Jez Wilkins, in my opinion that only leaves Payne. Jane then tells Rachel what she saw who then tells Fiona. Fiona knows by this time what has happened, my god her stupid husband and landed them in the cart for not phoning the emergency services straight away, but again she has to think of her family. Concealing a dead child is a crime, leaving kids is a crime (whether you have a monitor or not). So she imo tells Jane not to embellish on it, Jane then becomes involved. Her friends could all go down for this and it was an accident so Jane then becomes evasive with the details. We have the egg man.

Robert Murat

Yes he is there on the morning of the 4th and guess what he can resemble the person that Jane really saw. So they know there was locals out that night and everyone was knocking on doors so the probability is that he is a local he would have been out searching as well, so they then start to point the finger at Robert as he is similar looking to David Payne in the dark.
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Does anybody remember it being reported that when Clarence came onto the scene he was urging Kate to do a bikini photo shoot by the pool with the twins. It was reported that her family eventually put paid to that idea. It was also reported that Kate did not want Clarence Mitchell but Gerry did.

Now I do wonder, if these stories released about "rotting meat and dirty nappies", "not being able to cope", were released to either:

1. Make Kate look like an unfit mother and wife.
2. Released as a warning to Kate to tow the line or we will drop you right in it.
3. As revenge for what happened

Kerry, I can see also Kates "ice-cold" attitude also being a sign of someone that has endured years of emotional abuse from a partner. A partner that never thinks you have done right, a partner that controls you, a partner that can have a temper and unfortunately over the years it can wear you down. Some women are strong and can get out of a relationship like that, but the majority are left with no self-esteem and they do not feel worthy. They have been told repeatedly they would never make it on their own and eventually they begin to believe it. Once someone has you under their thumb and demoralised it is very hard to break away.

Also a lot of this emotional abuse is never done in front of people, it is behind closed doors, so that if you went to your parents or friends, they would not believe you. Because that person who is doing the abusing puts on a face for others. Men can see through men and I suspect the only person Kate has had to confide in is Fiona and David has seen Gerry at work, figuratively speaking and as a couple when they have discussed Kate and Gerry perhaps the Paynes do understand what she is going through.

She is arrogant in front of people, but at the moment she is fighting for her life. She is fighting for the two little people she does love, Sean and Amelie.

As I said we all saw Gerry in that interview outside the court, now just imagine what he could be like behind closed doors.

This statement has always worried me.

Quote:

Kate said, "It really isn't easy," coping. "Some days are better than others. ... There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a -- if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that."

especially this line

Quote:

'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone.

Push the button and we are all together and gone, reminds me of someone that knows what happened, and knows that her daughter is not coming back. If your child was out there the last thing you would contemplate is "pushing a button" because you never know when you might get that knock at the door or that call saying they have found her. If she felt like that and that thought was in her mind and Madeleine was found and she had pushed the button she was actually going to make Madeleine an orphan.

Yes there are many women that have children under 4, but not everyone can cope, some people need help. What if her life with Gerry was so bad at times, that it had now driven her to depression. She could not go to work and see a doctor, because she could have been made to go off sick because she was not fit to practice. I suspect her work is what kept her sane at times.

So what would she do, what do doctors advise you to do? Exercise, because exercise can make you feel better because exercise releases the endorphins needed. This helps fight depression.

As for her being tired, if she was left to sort the twins, still do what she had to do and was then up thinking about say the row they had. Some people can go to bed and sleep after a row but many toss and turn all night and if this row went on for a few days, that means more lack of sleep.

The holiday was not what she wanted imo, she wanted a family holiday, one with just her, Gerry and kids but when Gerry started to want to do his own thing, she was back to being in the situation where she could not cope with 3 children. So the creche was used.

Unfortunately not everyone can cope with 3 kids under 4 and a set of twins probably going into the terrible two's and a daughter that could have been still in them. Running around after one child is hardwork but 3 especially if the twins were forever being tormented by Madeleine. Wasn't there mention that Madeleine had hardly anything to do with the twins. Remember they were not at home, the kids did not have all their toys and they needed entertaining.

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Kate has confided in people she has felt alone and it has left it's mark on her

From Vanity Fair

Quote:

Kate Healy, a deeply religious only child from Liverpool, once confided to her sister-in-law, “There were too many times when I’ve been alone,” and that solitude evidently left its mark. On meeting her in 1992 the boisterous McCanns found her, John recalls, “reserved.” (Although this reserve was apparently not impenetrable. At the University of Dundee, as the Mail on Sunday recently discovered, Kate’s nickname was “Hot Lips Healy,” and she was renowned, according to her yearbook, for leading friends astray during “alcoholic binges.” When asked about this recently by a friend, Kate groaned and said, “My God! I hope they don’t get the rest of that part of my life.”)

(...)I think you find it alot. Those that are relationships where they have a volatile partner, become different to the person they were. They seem to develop two personalities, the one they are in the domestic situation and the one outside. I suspect it is due to having no control in their domestic situation and when they are away from it they become awkward, difficult probably as bad as the person they are in the relationship.

But I bet neither of those personalities she has now are the same as the carefree Kate at Uni.

Hope that makes sense... I know what I mean. :s_biggrin

That is the trouble now, they can't tell the truth, because that will be end of it, they would lose everything. Their status, their jobs and most importantly their kids.

Can you imagine what would really happened, if family were found out to have known what has happened, would they be classed as suitable people to look after the children? The kids now are holding the aunts, uncles, grandparents etc together.

Personally I think the family know exactly what happened, hence the silence and towing the line. Aunty Phil being shut up so quickly was such a give-away. Just imagine if she was found to have known, a teacher, someone that works with children, job career finished.

The moment the family knew what happened to Madeleine is the moment they committed an offence if they failed to report it.

Yes they may have avoided police questions but I bet the questions from their family are questions they have never been able to say "no comment" to. I suspect now that close family know and they all know what they have to lose.

I apologise for that I should have put the word Probably spoilt. Kate has said she was demanding, and no matter how much we do not want to character assassinate (and snowy it was not an intentional character assasination - just a typing error where the word probably was missed out) it is however a matter of fact that lone children can be spoilt.

It has also known that sometimes when a person craves so much to be a mother or for a family , the longing gets so great that when eventually after years of trying or IVF they do tend to give that child everything they want. Whether it is because of the longing I don't know, but grandchildren can be spoilt especially the first grandchild. Even her own mother has said Madeleine with give them her tuppenceworth, so she was not an introverted child.

Her own father describes her as hyper-active and hyper-active children can be naughty.

Quote:

Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, hyper-active, good talker, smart and relates to other children with great ease. She would never go with a stranger.
- Gerry McCann in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

All any of us have known about Madeleine is what they have told us.

But let us all be honest here, each and everyone of our kids have had their moments, they have misbehaved at times and at times have run each and everyone of us ragged, especially at the terrible two's age.

All this pussy footing around is no good, facts and reality are what matter and even one of the grandparents admitted she could go on one. Sorry but I will call a spade a spade how many times when tragedy happens and someone dies and it is reported on TV do we get the real truth. The press interview neighbours and friends and out of respect everyone says nice things nobody would dare come out and speak the truth, my god they were a right little g*t at times.

Do any of you think the police have not thought of this. Was she a spoilt child? Was she told no and went into a temper and mother slapped her? Nobody is perfect all the times and that includes children.

Thanks to the McCann files

Quote:

She said the strongest medicine they would ever have used was Calpol, and the strongest rebuke ever meted out to Madeleine was to make her sit on the "naughty step".
- Philomena McCann, Daily Express 11/9/07

Kate McCann complains frequently that her children are "hysterical" and says that Madeleine is a hyperactive child who tires her out to the point of despair.
- First Post, quoting Correio de Manha 14/9/07

Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.

In an interview given to a Portuguese magazine before she was named as a suspect in the case of the four-year-old's disappearance, Kate also said the first six months of Madeleine's life were "very difficult" and that the girl had suffered from colic.

Speaking about Madeleine's upbringing, Kate, a 39-year-old GP, told Portugal's Flash! magazine: "She cried practically for 18 hours a day. I had to permanently carry her around."

This period explained "the strong bond between mother and daughter", she said.

Although the arrival of the twins Sean and Amelie shook up Madeleine's life, she accepted them very well, said Kate.

"She managed to deal perfectly with this new reality, although she herself at the time was still a baby.

"The worst thing is that she started to demand lots of attention, especially when I was breast-feeding them.

"She would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention."
- Kate McCann, Daily Mail 17/9/07, quoting Portugese magazine Flash

thanks for finding that. Kate admits she had to carry her around for 18 hrs a day for roughly six months. The poor woman must have been at despair at times. Carrying a child, trying to run a home and dealing with a baby with colic.

Sorry it is the vicious circle here, you pick the baby up because they have colic and then through no fault of their own they easily learn if they cry you pick them up. Kate was dealing with this, no child suffers colic permanently 24/7 but the effects of picking her up because she had colic could have got Madeleine into the routine of crying when she was put down.

Gerry would still be working, and I expect she was still expected to run the home. She must have been totally knackered by the end of the six months which would have been roughly November 2003, the twins were born in February 2005, so Kate had to be pregnant again by June 2004. My god and she went through IVF again, so she had hardly anytime to recuperate from having a demanding first baby before she was back having IVF and being pregnant again.

Yes if you have had a good baby first time around may yes but to have a demanding baby is enough to make you sometimes not want to have to go through that again especially if things had settled back down.